VirnetX Asking For $532 Million From Apple in Patent Retrial

VirnetX Holding Corporation is asking for $532 million from Apple for using patented technology for communication services like FaceTime, iMessage and more, the firm told a federal jury today, according to Bloomberg.

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“Apple hasn’t played fair. They have taken Virnetx’s intellectual property without permission,” VirnetX lawyer Brad Caldwell of Caldwell Cassady told the jury in Tyler, Texas.
Greg Arovas, Apple's lawyer, said that Apple believes in "fairness and protecting intellectual property," noting that VirnetX "keeps moving the boundary" and asking for "more and more and more" money. In 2012, the firm was awarded $368 million in a jury trial. However, the decision was thrown out in 2014 as the verdict was influenced by the instructions given to the jury during the trial.

The patent suit can be traced back to 2010 over a pair of patents related to virtual private networking (VPN) connectivity. This retrial, which will last through next week, will largely focus on whether any VirnetX patents are infringed in either FaceTime or iMessage. Apple was already found to be infringing the patents with its VPN On Demand service. Apple cannot make the same arguments they made in the first trial, however.

VirnetX makes a majority of its revenue on patent licensing. Arovas said that, on a per-unit basis, VirnetX's $200 million settlement with Microsoft over similar violations is less than a tenth of what its currently seeking against Apple.



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22 weeks ago
Patent trolls
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22 weeks ago

Cue the Apple haters in 3...2...1...


cue the first trolling comment in.....1

You might want to read the article, not much love on MR for patent trolls.
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22 weeks ago

Patent company shells should be illegal. Either you use your patents to build something, you license them out at a fair price or you sell them to a company which complies to these previous rules.

What we must not forget that many of these trials are perfectly orchestrated by law 'engineers' with a hidden agenda. While the law might be quite the matrix for most of us, the techniques they use in the end, look baffling easy.

In these reigns where stakes are unbelievably high, many things don't look like they are. It's well possible that a patent troll sueing company X is in fact somewhere owned by company X.


I don't think this company is breaking you proposed "rules" at all.

First, isn't litigation a way of achieving the "license them out at a fair price" principle you want? How do you get someone to pay anything at all without being willing to enforce the law? Without threat of litigation, nobody would pay anything.

Second, what about universities and the patent portfolios they develop from their research labs? Often licensing pays for future research grants, but sometimes litigation is needed to get those that refuse to pay at all.

Third, what about financiers? We need investors (venture capital, or otherwise) to invest in startups. Since often startups don't work out, they need some collateral to secure their investment. Often IP is the only asset small startups have to offer. Shouldn't the investors be able to recoup some of their losses in that scenario by licensing, and litigating where needed, that IP?
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22 weeks ago
Patent company shells should be illegal. Either you use your patents to build something, you license them out at a fair price or you sell them to a company which complies to these previous rules.

What we must not forget that many of these trials are perfectly orchestrated by law 'engineers' with a hidden agenda. While the law might be quite the matrix for most of us, the techniques they use in the end, look baffling easy.

In these reigns where stakes are unbelievably high, many things don't look like they are. It's well possible that a patent troll sueing company X is in fact somewhere owned by company X.
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22 weeks ago
Patents are obviously very important, but you should not be able to patent such broad or basic ideas

Or I should patent the method of putting pants on and sue everyone
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22 weeks ago
Apple seem to have no issue using the courts when its in their favour... what goes around comes around..
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22 weeks ago

Patents are obviously very important, but you should not be able to patent such broad or basic ideas

Or I should patent the method of putting pants on and sue everyone


Then you could sue the pants off of everybody!
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22 weeks ago

What? Could you explain this to me? I mean, I guess I get that a subsidiary could sue another subsidiary, but...why?

Court decisions have a very strong influence. They result in precedents and have impact on current and future laws, policies, and practices. Different courts can also have an influence on each other.

If one has a way to make precedents, it basically writes a new law.

But of course it's not just as easy as that. I'm in no way pretending I have any clue about justice or law. But I'm sure the system is somewhere hackable. I don't mean corruption or other illegal practices. Just plain old legal strategy.

Investing a couple millions in a battery of law engineers could make or save you a couple billions up stream.
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22 weeks ago

What? Could you explain this to me? I mean, I guess I get that a subsidiary could sue another subsidiary, but...why?


I'm not really familiar with the case, but I can justify the comment. Let's say you own two companies, X and Y. X sues Y for an absurd amount, and you tell the people at Y not to fight it. X wins. Now you approach companies A, B, and, C and say look what the courts say is "fair". We only want payout * 30%. If you fight them you risk going against precedent and paying a higher rate. They might even get special treatment because they did t try and gouge you at first.
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22 weeks ago
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Apple, along with fellow consortium members such as Microsoft, created one of the worst patent trolls around (Rockstar) after they bought up Nortel patents for a ridiculously high price, and needed to see some return for them. Rockstar employed nothing but engineers paid to dig into corporations' code to see if any had inadvertently infringed on a patent they could sue over.

Apparently Apple et al later realized that this troll creation made it difficult to claim indignation against other patent trolls, so last year they had Rockstar sell off the patents to yet another patent entity who's supposed to license them fairly. We'll see.

Patent trolls


Interestingly, many of VirnetX's patents were originally from projects created by SAIC for NSA and CIA.
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