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Apple's Intel Move... Early Details and Notes

As readers digest yesterday's announcement about Apple's move to Intel. Here are some notes gathered about the upcoming transition.

- It appears Rosetta, Apple's Intel-Mac PowerPC emulator which was demonstrated at WWDC does not support AltiVec (Velocity Engine) according to Game developers.

- The new Intel-Macs may likely support Windows in a dual-boot capacity, assuming Microsoft provides software support:

Apple also confirmed that they would not stop customers from running Windows on the Intel-based Mac, although the Mac OS will not run on another PC.


Alternatively, Windows could potentially be run in a window under Mac OS X in a Virtual PC-type environment (not emulated, at full speed). Older users may realize this may cause some problems with potential software development. It has been said that one large reason for the demise of IBM's OS/2 was due to its support of Windows applications and the ability to dual boot into Windows. Developers were said to be reluctant to spend time on OS/2 specific applications when OS/2 users could typically also run Windows.

- Rosetta will not support programs written for Mac OS 8 or OS 9. Schiller is quoted as saying that no definitive plans to address Classic mode support have been made but "it's certainly not very high on the priority list."

- Trivia: Apple has recycled the name "Rosetta". It was previously used as their in-house handwriting recognizer for the Newton.

- Don't expect benchmarks soon. The developer's transition kit agreement which provides a PowerMac with an Intel processor for $999 has many conditions. One including:

You also agree not to make any changes or alterations to the Developer Transition System, not to publish or release the results of any benchmark tests run on the Developer Transition System...

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87 months ago
I was worried until I heard about this Rosetta. It sounds great, I missed hearing about it yesterday.
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87 months ago
In the end I think this move is a good thing thought it may be stressful. One a side note some guys from some blizzard guys at WWDC said that they got wow to run on roseate just not at acceptable speeds ;-) They also said they had the first intel build of the game done. Weather or not this is any kind of indication on how easy this transition will be I am not sure...
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87 months ago
interesting thing about the OS/2 trivia. Wonder if that is applicable in our situation at all?? Hope not....I love my Mac and Apple software and hopefully it won't be a problem getting developers to continue development for the platform, even if it will boot into Windows or have some better Virtual PC type situation.
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87 months ago
So does it mean that the app will still run on Rosetta just without the optimization of Altivec..or will it just not run at all.
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87 months ago
Still have no idea what to say, too many amazing predictions.....
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87 months ago
It would be nice if it can boot windows. Virtual PC sucks so bad...

I can finally ditch the blasted PC I keep for running that one program.
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87 months ago

So does it mean that the app will still run on Rosetta just without the optimization of Altivec..or will it just not run at all.


I would guess it wouldn't run at all. Programs requiring altivec won't run now on G3 computers. iDVD is a big one.
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87 months ago
So if the intel based macs can run windows, i assume we can use PC hardware and GFX cards etc in these intel-macs and install the windows drivers to use them in Windows.

Does this mean we will get to use Standard PC hardware in our Macs? :eek:
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87 months ago

So if the intel based macs can run windows, i assume we can use PC hardware and GFX cards etc in these intel-macs and install the windows drivers to use them in Windows.

Does this mean we will get to use Standard PC hardware in our Macs? :eek:



Not putting standard pc hardware in the new macs would REALLY suck. As they are cheaper and have a wider selection.
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87 months ago
Classic support is really not that big an issue. People can always keep an old world Mac (like my G3 upgraded Power Mac 7500) if they really have to run any Classic apps.

Rosetta seems fine. But I'm more worried about the other "way". How long will companies include fat/universal binaries for their apps? Even if it is very easy, from a developers POV, the extra binaries takes extra space, and space costs money. I remember there came PPC exclusive apps fairly fast after a short transitional period with PPC optimized apps still capable of running on 68k Macs last time around...

Running Windows... in a window... at native speed... is going to be awesome... :D

Still no news on which processors that will be used? That is really what I want to know...
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