'A Charlie Brown Christmas' and 'Mariah Carey's Magical Christmas Special' Now Streaming on Apple TV+

Heartwarming story? It is so badly written. Like the most unimaginative and uninspired person could have written it. That and the fact you can tell she’s lip-syncing (even if she is, you shouldn’t be able to notice it on screen). What a waste of time. Mariah’s Magical Christmas FLOP!

You can tell Charlie Brown is lipsyncing too, so cut Maria some slack...

Well I am not a stay at home mum but I love al those you mention, especially Mariah.

I’m a normal suburban housewife and the amount of contempt (in the form of dismissive language) shown on this forum for anything that might remotely interest women in general and teen girls or housewives in particular is starting to get old. There’s room enough for all of us at the table. I wish people would stop criticizing Apple for setting a place for us.

I’m a normal suburban housewife and the amount of contempt (in the form of dismissive language) shown on this forum for anything that might remotely interest women in general and teen girls or housewives in particular is starting to get old. There’s room enough for all of us at the table. I wish people would stop criticizing Apple for setting a place for us.

Exactly. I’m a mum. On my days off I’m pretty much a housewife. I’m glad Apple TV plus is diverse and is making content for a wide range of people including me.

Man...Mariah Carey, Oprah, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton, Obama. Apple's marque stars are painfully mainstream and aimed at normie suburban housewives. I would rather eat plain oatmeal in a mall foodcourt than watch any of these windbags.

I am talking about a specific way of speaking dismissively about anything perceived as oriented toward women or girls. It is really demeaning and it hurts to be on the receiving end of it. That’s all.

I see this here often in a very small way (I’m totally not disagreeing that it rears its ugly head in larger ways, this is just a small way that I frequently notice), when new watch bands come out and there are guys who will loudly proclaim ”Color X and Y and X are only for girls! Why can’t they make more masculine colors?” and my reaction is always, “WTF, colors do not have genitalia - nothing makes them inherently masculine or feminine, you’ve just been brainwashed to be fearful of being associated with certain colors because you’re afraid people might think you’re feminine - and it’s sad that you think having feminine qualities is a bad thing.” Frankly, if their perception of who they are is so shaky that they’re afraid that the color of a strip of plastic on their wrist might make people perceive them as either feminine or gay (as if either of those were bad things) they’ve much got bigger problems than just there being “too many” pastel watch bands.

Machismo, and the notion that men are inherently better than women, is toxic to this society. Throughout history, men have started the vast majority of the wars, done the vast majority of the murdering, committed the vast majority of the hate crimes. Men (mostly old, mostly white, mostly rich) have been allowed to have the vast majority of the power, and have largely driven the world into a ditch, over and over. I think there are a lot of women who could do better.

I’m all for having media (as with all things) that appeal to a wide spectrum of people - not everybody has to like the same thing, and having Mariah Carey be popular to some doesn’t mean other people can’t like something else - you don't have to have other people’s music lose in order for your music to win, for you - life is not a junior high popularity contest.

I’m not much for Mariah Carey myself, though I have a soft spot for “All I want for Christmas is you”, because it reminds me of “Love, Actually”, a happy movie that always makes me cry. A movie a lot of guys might label a “chick flick” because there are no car chases, explosions, robots, or gun fights, and it’s mostly about relationships.

My favorite people are my nieces, who are at an age where they love unicorns and mermaids, and when they see see any character in a book who isn’t really obviously male (like, say, with a long beard), they just assume the character is female. It’s delightfully refreshing. They’re also fabulously smart, inquisitive, inventive, and, interested in the world around them. And the older one wants to be an astronaut. They’re my hope for the future.

Man...Mariah Carey, Oprah, Hillary & Chelsea Clinton, Obama. Apple's marque stars are painfully mainstream and aimed at normie suburban housewives. I would rather eat plain oatmeal in a mall foodcourt than watch any of these windbags.

Well I am not a stay at home mum but I love al those you mention, especially Mariah.