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Apple's Silicon Chief Talks About iPhone Chips, Face ID, and More in Israeli Interview [Updated]
Johny Srouji, Senior Vice President of Hardware Technologies at Apple, recently talked about iPhone chipmaking, Face ID security, augmented reality, and more in a wide-ranging interview with Israeli website CTech by Calcalist.
For context, Srouji leads the team responsible for custom silicon and hardware technologies like batteries, storage controllers, and application processors, including the new A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X.
Apple's control over both hardware and software allows Srouji's team to have a three-year roadmap for iPhone and iPad processors:
A few years ago, Apple opened research and development offices in Haifa, north of Tel Aviv, with the facilities serving as the iPhone maker's second-largest R&D operations outside of the United States at the time.
There, a team of engineers are focused on chip design, testing, and engineering, according to Apple's job listings over the years.
Apple later scooped up Israeli startup LinX, whose dual-lens camera technologies are likely used in the latest iPhone models. It also bought Israeli flash memory firm Anobit Technologies and facial recognition startup RealFace.
Srouji added that Face ID is the fastest and most secure facial recognition system in the industry. He also said 3D masks shouldn't be able to spoof Face ID, although a questionable video may have proved otherwise just days later.
Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.
For context, Srouji leads the team responsible for custom silicon and hardware technologies like batteries, storage controllers, and application processors, including the new A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X.
Apple's control over both hardware and software allows Srouji's team to have a three-year roadmap for iPhone and iPad processors:
"Silicon is unforgiving," Mr. Srouji said. "My team is already working on the chips you're going to see in 2020. You make bets. We have the system and the software. We have better knowledge versus external chipmakers about where things are going to end up. Since we own the silicon, we own the software, the operating system and everything else, we deliver, always. We deliver for the exact specification of iOS and nothing else. We don't have to worry about other operating systems."Srouji complimented Israel, where he was born and raised, for its significant technological contributions to Apple products. He said Apple now employs over 900 engineers in Israel, up from a reported 700 or so in 2015.
A few years ago, Apple opened research and development offices in Haifa, north of Tel Aviv, with the facilities serving as the iPhone maker's second-largest R&D operations outside of the United States at the time.
There, a team of engineers are focused on chip design, testing, and engineering, according to Apple's job listings over the years.
"The team in Israel is a key part of the overall engineering team in the U.S. and other areas of the world – wherever we have our R&D," he said. "The things they do are key to any device we ship, to all devices."Apple has also acquired several Israeli companies over the years, including PrimeSense, which developed the original Kinect sensor for Xbox. PrimeSense's 3D sensing tech is believed to be at the core of Face ID on the iPhone X.
As examples, he mentioned the A11 Bionic system on the chip powering the new iPhone X, the integrated Wi-Fi Bluetooth chipset in and the Apple Watch, and the storage component in every Apple device.
"We depend on the team as part of the overall R&D team in the U.S. and other parts of the world to deliver," Mr. Srouji said. “And if they don't—bad things happen, alright?"
Apple later scooped up Israeli startup LinX, whose dual-lens camera technologies are likely used in the latest iPhone models. It also bought Israeli flash memory firm Anobit Technologies and facial recognition startup RealFace.
Srouji added that Face ID is the fastest and most secure facial recognition system in the industry. He also said 3D masks shouldn't be able to spoof Face ID, although a questionable video may have proved otherwise just days later.
"When Apple delivers Face ID, we deliver it in the fastest, smartest, and most secure way," he said.Full Interview: Silicon is "Unforgiving," Says Apple's Chip Chief Johny Srouji
"If I want to spoof and create some 3D model mask of your face—it shouldn't work. When Apple does it you know it's going to be the most secure, reliable and fastest, and if it doesn't work there is a reason. The other thing about Face ID is that actually, we learn. We learn to adapt—if you grow a beard, if you have sunglasses, if you have eyeglasses, a hat—it works."
Note: Due to the political nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Politics, Religion, Social Issues forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.
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23 months ago
False. Windows Hello passes evil twin test and is more resilient against masks unlike Fake ID. That's no surprise, though, since Fake ID is using 2010 Kinect technology that Microsoft dumped for a better inhouse solution.
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Looks like it might not be as secure as Apple had hoped:
http://www.securityweek.com/iphone-xs-face-id-bypassed-mask
This 'mask' thing has been debunked on so many levels now I laugh when people bring it up.
23 months ago
False. Windows Hello passes evil twin test and is more resilient against masks unlike Fake ID. That's no surprise, though, since Fake ID is using 2010 Kinect technology that Microsoft dumped for a better inhouse solution.
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Not much better or worse than your video, though in this one we actually see them train the device. We have no idea who or what trained FaceID in that mask video, nor do we see the unlock icon move. For all we know, it could be a screen recording.
I have the same questions Cnet does ('https://www.cnet.com/news/iphone-xs-face-id-supposedly-got-hacked-we-have-questions/'), with regards to the video you posted.
Can’t always trust what videos you see on the net.
23 months ago
One can't dispute the talent of his team. Other flagships are only just slimly beating the iPhone 7 in multicore, and are still about half of that in single core, while the 8/x bounded ahead again. Can't wait to see more future work from them.
23 months ago
Looks like Vietnamese Cybersecurity firm Bkav could fool the FaceID with half face 3D printed mask with 2D images. It says, it will be a problem for popular and famous folks, but ordinary Joe need not worry(what's the use of cracking their iPhone X)!
IPhone X exclusive for ordinary folks!!
https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-say-broke-face-id-security/
These guys are scammers, looking for their 15 minutes of fame by claiming they fooled FaceID.
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This 'mask' thing has been debunked on so many levels now I laugh when people bring it up.
This x1,000. Ars Technica has a great article about these guys. They tried to get more information about how it was done and asked a lot of questions. The answers they gave (and the questions they avoided) removes any doubt these guys are scammers.
23 months ago
"The things we do in Israel are a significant part of every Apple device in the world," said Srouji. He went on to say "the team in Israel is part of this long-term vision of excellence and perfection, so we're here for the long term."
Chew on that, BDS folk. Willing to bet a large percentage of them are using Apple gear (and the rest must be using Intel or other Israel-designed tech).
Also, Sruji is Arab and a graduate of Technion Institute. So much for apartheid.
23 months ago
('https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/14/johny-srouji-talks-israel-face-id-and-more/')
Johny Srouji ('https://www.apple.com/leadership/johny-srouji/'), Senior Vice President of Hardware Technologies at Apple, recently talked about Israel's contributions to Apple products, Face ID security, augmented reality, and more in a wide-ranging interview with Calcalist ('https://www.calcalist.co.il/internet/articles/0,7340,L-3724966,00.html').
For context, Srouji leads the team responsible for custom silicon and hardware technologies like batteries, storage controllers, and application processors, including the new A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X.
The interview was published in Hebrew, so the quotes herein are loosely translated to English and may not be perfectly word for word.
Srouji started by complimenting Israel, where he was born and raised, for its significant contributions to Apple products. He said Apple now employs over 900 engineers in Israel, up from a reported 700 or so in 2015.
A few years ago, Apple opened research and development offices in Haifa, north of Tel Aviv, with the facilities serving as the iPhone maker's second-largest R&D operations outside of the United States at the time.
There, a team of engineers are focused on chip design ('https://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/26/apple-israel-chip-design/'), testing, and engineering, according to Apple's job listings over the years.
"The things we do in Israel are a significant part of every Apple device in the world," said Srouji. He went on to say "the team in Israel is part of this long-term vision of excellence and perfection, so we're here for the long term."
Apple has also acquired several Israeli companies over the years, including PrimeSense ('https://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/24/apple-confirms-acquisition-of-israeli-3d-body-sensing-firm-primesense/'), which developed the original Kinect sensor for Xbox. PrimeSense's 3D sensing tech is believed to be at the core of Face ID ('https://www.macrumors.com/2017/03/07/apple-face-detection-patent-iphone-8/') on the iPhone X.
Apple later scooped up Israeli startup LinX ('https://www.macrumors.com/2015/04/14/apple-acquires-linx-imaging/'), whose dual-lens camera technologies are likely used in the latest iPhone models. It also bought Israeli flash memory firm Anobit Technologies ('https://www.macrumors.com/2012/01/25/apple-ramping-up-operations-in-israel-with-anobit-acquisition-and-new-research-center/') and facial recognition startup RealFace ('https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/19/apple-buys-facial-recognition-firm-realface/').
The interview later shifted to Face ID, which Srouji said is "the fastest and most secure" facial recognition system in the industry.
"Take the subject of user attention for identification," said Srouji. "If I am not fully aware of the device--i.e. looking at it with my face directly--there is no detection." He told the interviewer "you have to be happy about it because imagine you have the phone and I go aside and I can create a fake of it."
Srouji also reflected on Apple's new augmented reality platform ARKit. He said Apple is always looking far ahead with its chip designs, with a three-year roadmap leading into 2020. Read the full interview ('https://www.calcalist.co.il/internet/articles/0,7340,L-3724966,00.html') for his complete vision.
Article Link: Apple's Head of Chip Design Talks About Face ID Security and More in Israeli Interview ('https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/14/johny-srouji-talks-israel-face-id-and-more/')
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It's "Johny Speak."
He didn’t say “Aluminium”.
23 months ago
So cool. This man is an Israeli pride!
You can also watch a video interview with him here (most of the interview itself is actually in English). It includes a tour of Apple offices in Israel:
http://mobile.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast-q4_2017/Article-25169162917bf51004.htm
You can also watch a video interview with him here (most of the interview itself is actually in English). It includes a tour of Apple offices in Israel:
http://mobile.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast-q4_2017/Article-25169162917bf51004.htm
23 months ago
Looks like Vietnamese Cybersecurity firm Bkav could fool the FaceID with half face 3D printed mask with 2D images. It says, it will be a problem for popular and famous folks, but ordinary Joe need not worry(what's the use of cracking their iPhone X)!
IPhone X exclusive for ordinary folks!!
https://www.wired.com/story/hackers-say-broke-face-id-security/
Did you miss the part where it requires them to do a 5 minute detailed face scan of the phone's owner using a handheld scanner, and even then it still might not work? If you're going to let someone hand scan your face for 5 minutes and then let them steal your phone, you might as well give them the pin code.
23 months ago
What in the hell does this mean?
He told the interviewer "you have to be happy about it because imagine you have the phone and I go aside and I can create a fake of it."
He told the interviewer "you have to be happy about it because imagine you have the phone and I go aside and I can create a fake of it."
23 months ago
He looks like David Byrne's twin brother, Talking Heads:
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!
And you may ask yourself
Why is the iPhone X so damm expensive!
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house!
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife!
And you may ask yourself
Why is the iPhone X so damm expensive!
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