Pandora CFO Sees iTunes Radio as 'Credible Threat', Calls iTunes 'Detrimental' to Music Industry - MacRumors
Skip to Content

Pandora CFO Sees iTunes Radio as 'Credible Threat', Calls iTunes 'Detrimental' to Music Industry

by

pandora_newlogo Pandora CFO Mike Herring this week made several comments about Apple's iTunes Radio service in an interview with CNET. The executive addressed on a number of topics, including how he sees competing music streaming services as viable threats, the issues surrounding artist pay by streaming services, and the current state of affairs for all streaming services for paying artists.

When asked what makes the company believe a competitor like Apple isn't a threat to Pandora, Herring acknowledged that Apple is indeed a threat but that it is just one of many high-profile services to enter the market.

It's not that it isn't a threat to Pandora. Don't get us wrong, we take them very seriously and do see them as a credible threat. Keep in mind there have been lots of credible threats over the years, from startups to Microsoft to Google, to Apple and Twitter this year. We absolutely see iTunes as a competitive option out there, but we think we are a great service that does this better than anybody else. The most recent entrants have all been large, well-funded companies that have agendas outside a really awesome music experience. They have other reasons, selling cell phones or downloads. We sell downloads, but the priority isn't to sell as many downloads as possible. It's emblematic of the difference.

Herring was also asked about how Pandora pays lower rates to music labels than Apple because of his company's choice to pay according to government guidelines instead of direct deals:

It's not about lowering rates -- that's about creating fair rates across lots of distribution channels. We've put offers on the table where we commit to paying no less than we pay now in absolute dollars, and with increases on an annual basis. That hasn't gone anywhere because of a lack of trust. It has created a situation where meaningful conversations for positive outcomes are going to be hard-fought wins. It's going to take a long time to get there.

The executive also expressed his feelings about how Apple's iTunes Store has been detrimental to the music industry by breaking down the traditional CD business.

One of the arguments against Pandora is that we're trying to pay artists less money. We'd like to see artists get paid more. We also understand the mistrust comes from a pretty tough decade-plus in the music industry. First you had the piracy issues, which are still rampant, mostly internationally but also domestically. And you had the download platforms, specifically iTunes, that disintermediated the entire CD business, which was detrimental. There's difficulty for people who have experienced these negative things to listen to reason.

Pandora CEO Joe Kennedy stated last month that the company was not worried about iTunes Radio, claiming that the company "did not see the picture changing". Apple launched its service last month, with a report last week stating that the service would be coming to the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and more countries by early 2014.

Apple's expansion could put its availability ahead of Pandora's in some markets, as Pandora currently operates only in the U.S., Australia, and New Zealand. Pandora, which removed its 40-hour free listening limit ahead of the iTunes Radio launch last month, has remained among the top-grossing apps [Direct Link] in the App Store, with its Pandora One premium service being among the top in-app purchases overall.

Top Rated Comments

165 months ago
iTunes didn't kil the CD. iTunes rescued the paid-music industry that was destroyed by the end of people wanting CDs. CDs were dead anyway. All iTunes did was rescue the music companies by giving them a way to survive. Without iTunes there'd be no Pandora.
Score: 19 Votes (Like | Disagree)
applesith Avatar
165 months ago
Detrimental because it killed the CD business? Yes and cars killed the horse and buggy, computers killed the typewriter. Blah blah blah.
Score: 16 Votes (Like | Disagree)
165 months ago
Detrimental to his business model

Advantageous to me - helps me discover new music and buy straight from within the app - or add to wish list

So for me useful :)
Score: 13 Votes (Like | Disagree)
musika Avatar
165 months ago
iTunes Radio is more enjoyable to use on iOS than Pandora. Period.

Also, the music is more diverse. My music was rejected from Pandora a couple of years back when I tried submitting it. They seem to have a thing against independent musicians. They said my music 'doesn't fit into their collection'. Alright.

Apple doesn't discriminate. With iTunes Radio, you're getting everybody. I think that leaving out indie artists is a pretty bad mistake and sucks for listeners looking for interesting new music.

Not to mention, Pandora's iOS app throws horribly designed UIWebView ads in your face every time you enter the app to change something on the now playing screen. Ads are fine and all, but at least do it in a way that is classy.

Even more so, Apple pays its artist more money. This is kind of big.

All in all, I prefer iTunes and find that it actually provides a better experience.
Score: 9 Votes (Like | Disagree)
165 months ago
I tried Pandora and Spotify before... didn't really care for it. The songs they picked for my station were hit and miss. iTunes radio on the other hand has been pretty consistent in giving me songs I like. Within the last month alone I have already bought a bunch of songs I've never heard of before, which is more than the nothing I have spent on the other services.

A real credible threat indeed.

I thought I was alone in thinking that iTunes was much better. I mean I constantly skip songs on all the other radio services that I tried, but iTune radio always produces a good playlist that I can listen to for hours. That, plus the fact that I can buy the song directly.
Score: 7 Votes (Like | Disagree)
165 months ago
I'm sorry, I don't speak corporate jibberish, a little help here? :)
Score: 7 Votes (Like | Disagree)

Popular Stories

Apple Wallet

iOS 27 Will Add Two New Apple Wallet Features to Your iPhone

Monday June 1, 2026 12:15 pm PDT by
Apple is set to unveil iOS 27 during its WWDC 2026 keynote on Monday, June 8, and the update will reportedly include two new Apple Wallet features. First, iOS 27 will reportedly let users create their own digital passes by scanning items like movie tickets, concert passes, and gym membership cards. Many apps already offer Apple Wallet passes, but now users will be able to create a custom...
HomePod mini and Apple TV Sage

New Apple TV and HomePod Mini Are 'Nearly Ready' to Launch, New Siri Remote Also Rumored

Sunday May 31, 2026 8:47 am PDT by
New models of the Apple TV 4K and HomePod mini are "nearly ready to go," according to the latest word from Bloomberg's Mark Gurman. Subscribe to the MacRumors YouTube channel for more videos. Both devices have been ready "for months," but Apple is holding off on launching them until the more personalized version of Siri is available, he said. "I am told the hardware for the next Apple TV...
Apple Foldable Thumb

First 'Confirmed' iPhone Ultra Color Allegedly Revealed in Leaked Image

Monday June 1, 2026 4:39 am PDT by
Apple is expected to launch its first foldable iPhone later this year. Rumors suggest the "iPhone Ultra" will come in two color options, and a leaker shared an image today that allegedly shows one of them. Posted on Weibo by the Chinese leaker known as Ice Universe, the image purportedly offers a first glimpse of Apple's foldable in white. The device is believed to have entered early mass...