Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak Discuss Apple Silicon Transition, Lack of Boot Camp Support, and More

Daring Fireball's John Gruber typically hosts a live episode of his The Talk Show podcast during the week of WWDC, featuring high-level Apple executives to dig further into some of the details on Apple's major announcements, and while the all-online format of this year's conference changed things up a bit, Gruber was still able to get Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak to participate in a video podcast.


The 90-minute discussion touched on a number of topics, including a brief statement from Joswiak on Apple's relationship with developers in light of recent concerns sparked by the "Hey" email app controversy, a thorough dive into Apple's perspectives on macOS Big Sur and the Apple Silicon transition, and briefer tidbits on iPadOS and Apple Pencil, iOS 14, and privacy.

Some of the more interesting bits of the discussion include thoughts on all of the different ways Apple has now for developers to build Mac apps, including Catalyst, UIKit, AppKit, and SwiftUI, as well as Apple's emphasis on virtualization with Boot Camp going away for Apple Silicon-based Macs.

While avoiding direct mention of Windows, Federighi acknowledges that you won't be able to boot directly into x86 operating systems on these Macs. As it stands, Windows can't be directly supported on the Arm-based chips of ‌Apple Silicon‌ via virtualization, but Federighi made clear that Apple is well aware of the situation, without tipping his hand on what developments may appear on that front in the coming months.

Top Rated Comments

internetExplorer Avatar
23 weeks ago
Could see Craig Federighi becoming CEO one day...
Score: 24 Votes (Like | Disagree)
GeoStructural Avatar
23 weeks ago
I think the transition to ARM is positive in many ways, but it will affect Apple in certain markets, specifically the Engineering Professional market, Macs are not good as they are for my line of work and now they will be further from attractive. Unless Apple finds ways for Engineering software providers to easily migrate and recompile their years of work I see them just dropping support for the ecosystem entirely.
Score: 24 Votes (Like | Disagree)
4jasontv Avatar
23 weeks ago


Baked in sponsors.... These video's will age well, is he going to light up a cigarette too.

Don't blame creators for supporting their work. They can’t generate enough revenue off YouTube ads, and most people won’t pay for all the web content they consume.
Score: 23 Votes (Like | Disagree)
cmaier Avatar
23 weeks ago


That was the longest baked in ad i've seen thus far.

While i was watching it the world around me started to decompose - i saw buildings tumble and be replaced by nature, which then decomposed. Stars went nova, the sun went dark.

Then when he actually started the interview he started with “before i ask you about ...” and i hung myself.
Score: 22 Votes (Like | Disagree)
D.T. Avatar
23 weeks ago


Craig said the Big Sur redesign feels “inevitable”. I see he’s picked up idioms from Jony.

... or Thanos.
Score: 20 Votes (Like | Disagree)
ruka.snow Avatar
23 weeks ago
Baked in sponsors.... These video's will age well, is he going to light up a cigarette too.
Score: 18 Votes (Like | Disagree)

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