Apple Plans to Appeal $439M 'Final Judgment' in FaceTime Patent Lawsuit With VirnetX

Whats the point of a "Final Judgment" if you can appeal it?

So iphone 8 sales were lacklustre, the 10th anniversary Event at Steve Jobs's theatre went down like a damp squid, and only 46,500 iphone Xs ready at launch day.
and they've 'lost' Facetime case.
Nice.

It's "a damp squib" meaning an explosive that has gotten damp so it can't go off. Still you made me laugh :)

smh just pay it the company has $200 billion in the bank

I'd like $100 from you. Just pay it to me, you have the money in the bank. If you'd like I can file a small claim and receive a default judgement so we can continue this analogy.

I remember these guys:

http://anewdomain.net/who-is-virnetx-apple-must-pay-300m-plus-breaking/

Their founding owners were directly related to the U.S. national security establishment - and forced Apple to abandon encrypted phone to phone connections (no middle server)...Apple had to go to server pass through at the time. VirnetX had a patent on the direct client to client technology and wouldn't license it to Apple - not because it wasn't enough money, just wouldn't license it. Not sure where things stand now. But they weren't the only faux patent company the NSA etc. directly controlled and probably still control....

Apple has a product, so it’s hardly patent trolling.

Actually, Apple has sued over patent claims it doesn't use itself.

Also, as previously noted, Apple was part of a consortium that created a notorious patent troll called Rockstar.

In any case, VirnetX is not what most people call a troll, since they invented what they license, and do have app and library products using their patents.

Also, the patent wasn’t and isn’t on a “rectangle with round corners”, that’s just **** someone made up on the internet.

On the contrary, Apple DID manage to get a design patent on a rounded rectangle. Here it is. (Dashed lines don't count.)



Apple awarded design patent for actual rounded rectangle - Ars Technica ('https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/apple-awarded-design-patent-for-actual-rounded-rectangle/')

Apple did not try to sue Samsung using the more detailed actual iPad design patent. It wouldn't have worked, as none of Samsung's tablets had a round Home button or the same exact shape. So instead, Apple tried to use the above generic rounded rectangle patent.

The attempt failed. Along with courts all over the world, even the first set of California jurors decided that Samsung's tablets did not infringe it.

The whole patent system needs to be overhauled. I'm not defending Apple if they did something wrong then they should pay up but small companies patent trolling big companies is not the way to run a business.

Normally a troll is defined as a company that buys up patents and then goes looking for offenders.

(Note: Apple did that themselves by proxy, when the consortium they belonged to bought Nortel patents and then created a patent holding company that did nothing but reverse engineer software to find infringements.)

VirnetX is different. Its officers are mostly the guys who actually invented what they license. Basically, they're living the American inventor's dream of coming up with something that lots of people will want to use and pay for. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever.

Worse, Apple's own internal documents showed that they knew they were infringing VirnetX patents, but went ahead anyway.

You are correct, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Texas is notoriously known as the home of Patent Trolls..

Many plaintiffs like East Texas and Delaware courts because they are quick, have technical experience, and especially because they favor patent holders.

In a similar way, Apple prefers northern California courts which seem to favor home state companies.

Likewise, Motorola used to favor filing in their home state of Illinois.

Patents related to basic features like video calling and peer to peer connections should be invalidated. If Apple can’t circumvent this patent with a software alternative it’s a patent that should never have been granted. I think Apple is a huge bully but thinking that prices are pushed up by a dollar from these crazy patents that are too broad is madness.

I also think that patents should at least be used in a competeting product to be valid for that area. Developing a technology should be rewarded yes but it should be shown to have been for that specific purpose and product. Infringement should at least be shown to have been intended and not independently created. VirnetX winning is not good for consumers and competition. The patent was designed to create competition between competing tech and methods and reward development of new methodology. However it’s being used like a protection racket designed to extort as much money as possible and never seems to reward original creators and instead the company’s that holds the patent.

smh just pay it the company has $200 billion in the bank

These lawsuits have nothing to do with money for Apple. By paying them without exhausting all legal possibilities first, Apple opens the floodgates to an unimaginable parade of future lawsuits.

Corporations should have never be allowed to own any intellectual property. Only human individuals should be awarded IP.

A lot of inventors are financially unable to enforce or produce their patent on their own.

So they sell their invention to someone who can. A lot of so-called patent trolls are like that. They're in business to make back what they paid for a patent and more, so naturally they go looking for infringers.

Didn't they have to publicly apologise to Samsung for that?

Yes, Apple had to publish apologies to Samsung in the UK. Depending on your viewpoint, it was either a childish, or a humorous, sequence of events:
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* High court rules (as did the entire rest of the world) that Samsung tablets did not infringe Apple's generic rounded rectangle patent.
* Apple spokesman makes a public remark about how such "blatant copying is wrong", even after the ruling.
* Samsung asks for an injunction against such comments, but judge says freedom of speech allows public disagreement with court judgments.
* However, using a UK law, judge does order Apple to put a link to the judgement outcome on their UK website and publish it in newspapers.
* Apple posts a web link to the judgement as ordered, but on their own they also add false intimations that Samsung had been found guilty of copying the iPad in other countries.
* Judge orders Apple to apologize for continuing to make false assertions, and to now put the trial outcome on their website's front page, not just in a link.
* Apple claims it'll take "two weeks" to change their website. Judge says they have 48 hours.
* Apple makes the change and adds an "apology" for posting "inaccurate" information. However, they also add Javascript code to hide the apology below the fold when the page first comes up, no matter what your screen resolution is. A few days after this intentional hiding is noted by tech sites, the code is quietly removed.

another reason texas should be sold to mexico