Apple-Opposed 'Investigatory Powers' Surveillance Bill Moves Closer to Legality in UK

Apple LogoThe United Kingdom's House of Commons this week passed the controversial "Investigatory Powers" bill, which gives spy and government agencies the ability to "engage in bulk surveillance and computer hacking," and has met stern opposition from various technology companies, including Apple. In the House of Commons, the bill passed by a vote of 444 to 69 (via Bloomberg).

The original wording of the bill required companies to build anti-encryption backdoors into their software -- a point of contention Apple fought over repeatedly against the FBI this year -- and the storing of website records for every UK citizen by web and phone companies. The updated version of the bill passed this week introduced slight alterations to these rules, which could ultimately play in the favor of companies like Apple, Google, and Microsoft in the UK.

The updated bill clearly states that companies aren't required to install backdoors to get around encryption when a government agency requests it, with one exception: if taking such an action "is technically feasible and not unduly expensive," the company could face the same request the US government gave Apple earlier in the year.

Of course, the exact definition of what would be "technically feasible and not unduly expensive" isn't divulged in the bill. If the bill ultimately becomes law, these definitions would be left to the decision-making of a British judge on a case-by-case basis. According to Apple and CEO Tim Cook, if the company would have been required to introduce a workaround to grant unlimited access to terrorist Syed Farook's iPhone, it would have taken a team of engineers weeks and been the "software equivalent of cancer."

In the favor of communications companies and mobile operators who would be required to store the records of UK citizens for 12 months at a time, wording in the new bill states that these institutions would be reimbursed "for the cost of complying with the new legal obligations." No similar monetary reimbursement for anti-encryption backdoors by tech companies is mentioned.

The Investigatory Powers bill is now headed to the House of Lords, where it will be analyzed by a panel of legal experts, headed by the UK's independent reviewer of terrorism legislation David Anderson. Anderson and the panel will report if they believe the surveillance and anti-encryption aspects of the bill are legal and justified, and a final vote by the House of Lords will occur in the fall. If everything ultimately passes, the bill is expected to go into effect January 2017.

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45 months ago

I strongly support government action and support against Apple turning this to PR show.

I strongly support government action require companies build back door for national security and anti terrorist purpose. Any company that build software cannot be accessed by law enforcement need be treat same as terrorist. They are building hardware and software used by terrorist and they are supporting terrorist. Apple's leader need change their course of action, otherwise, they should check charged as treason and support of terrorism.

I'd like to blame Canada here for your complete lack of understanding of the US Constitution and moreover, for being unable to grasp the significance of the continued erosion of the fundamental human right to privacy. Canada, please educate your youth so in the future we don't have totally uninformed pro-authoritarian views like this expressed.


My personal view is that Apple should stop selling products in the UK, and offer the UK government to create a special "Ultra-surveillance" equipped phone that has cameras on every side and never stops recording but that will only be sold to idiot british citizens who couldn't care less about their government becoming a police state but are highly concerned about there global implications of prawnhub on the world at large. Call it the iBrit
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45 months ago
The tories in the house are no better than Nazis. Look at the rally in the run up to the Syrian bombings—they were practically wetting themselves, it was sick! These disgusting pigs forget that laws stay around and can be used and abused by not only the current shower of dicks in power, but the next and the next.
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45 months ago

I strongly support government action and support against Apple turning this to PR show.

I strongly support government action require companies build back door for national security and anti terrorist purpose. Any company that build software cannot be accessed by law enforcement need be treat same as terrorist. They are building hardware and software used by terrorist and they are supporting terrorist. Apple's leader need change their course of action, otherwise, they should check charged as treason and support of terrorism.


You forgot the pedophile argument. :rolleyes:
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45 months ago
Power granting itself more powers, but only when the Power is excluded from being subject to the powers itself...
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45 months ago
So in 5 or so years when I move back to the UK, I'll be swapping one totalitarian, corrupt Government that spys on everything I do, for another one that speaks English as a first language - Great.

I guess I'll be keeping my VPN forever then - whatever good it does me.
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45 months ago
Spike Milligan was right:

"BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU"
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45 months ago

I strongly support government action and support against Apple turning this to PR show.

I strongly support government action require companies build back door for national security and anti terrorist purpose. Any company that build software cannot be accessed by law enforcement need be treat same as terrorist. They are building hardware and software used by terrorist and they are supporting terrorist. Apple's leader need change their course of action, otherwise, they should check charged as treason and support of terrorism.


Thing is, this all stems from 9/11. There are 28 pages on 9/11 involvement by plural foreign governments, that have been classified and withheld for the past 13 years. That is the real treason. One of the plural governments is the British government, the same British government spying on everyone because of 9/11.
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45 months ago
UK holds 1% of total population in the world, but holds 20% of total surveillance cameras in the world.
"The most watched nation"
Glad I live in Australia.
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45 months ago

Did you really just make sweeping generalisations about Canadian and British folk?

There are plenty of us in both countries that are in agreement with you about the problems caused by the enactment of laws like this, probably best not to alienate us with such comments. It just shows your complete lack of understanding for both countries.

No, I blamed Canada for polluting this forum with what I believe to be accurately described as "uninformed" views. Mostly, I was joking about that. The real source of the problem is the UK.


Anybody who understands anything about encryption and our current banking and telecom infrastructure would quickly see how stupid this neo-luddite UK bill is, even without the privacy implications the bill basically will allow any foreign criminal free reign on british civilian interests. I'm sure the French and Germans are laughing their asses off, while simultaneously every European cybercriminal... and probably most asian hackers ...are salivating at the proposition of the enforcement of such a ludicrous proposal.


I am honestly somewhat curious to see them enforce it, it will be funny to watch the chaos.
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45 months ago
When will humans finally become not stupid?
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