EU apple taxFrance and Germany are looking to stop tech companies like Apple from exploiting tax loopholes in their respective countries. The loopholes are said to have allowed Apple to "minimize taxes and grab market share" at the expense of Europe-based companies.

France will draft and propose a list of "simpler rules" that will be aimed at creating a "real taxation" law for non-European companies, which also include Amazon and Facebook (via Bloomberg).

The new rules will be looked at in September during a meeting of European Union officials, which French finance minister Bruno Le Maire hopes will help speed up Europe-wide initiatives related to properly taxing international companies. Germany is said to be looking into similar proposals following its national election on September 24.

French President Emmanuel Macron is one of the leaders behind the tax crackdown on international tech companies, with a goal of bringing a more unified corporate tax system across the nineteen euro area states.

The clampdown on tech firms is part of President Emmanuel Macron’s muscular approach to ensuring a level playing field, after seeing first hand during his election campaign how French firms struggle to compete with countries where taxes and social security payments are lower.

“Europe must learn to defend its economic interest much more firmly -- China does it, the U.S. does it,” French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said. “You cannot take the benefit of doing business in France or in Europe without paying the taxes that other companies -- French or European companies -- are paying.”

In similar news, last year the European Commission ruled that Apple received illegal state aid from Ireland and ordered the company to pay $14.5 billion in back taxes. Apple admitted that it expects the case to continue for several years, and eventually appealed the decision in December of 2016 by arguing the European Commission made "fundamental errors" in its ruling.

If the new crackdown on tax loopholes goes into effect, Apple could potentially face more tax avoidance charges, which company CEO Tim Cook called "total political crap" in the wake of the Ireland-related ruling. In an open letter around the same time, Cook said that Apple has become "the largest taxpayer in the world," stating that the company "follows the law and we pay all the taxes we owe." He called the European Commission's ruling an "effort to rewrite Apple's history in Europe," and said that any claim that Ireland gave Apple a "special deal" on taxes "has no basis in fact or in law."

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VulchR Avatar
58 months ago
Good. I don't care of tax avoidance is legal or not - legal or not tax avoidance is loathsome and immoral. What I do care about is that the rich and the corporations seem to wiggle out of a reasonable effective tax rate while public services are being stretched to the limit. It's time for them to pay their fair share, for otherwise the economy and indeed our culture will not be sustainable.
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What European country has developed tech products that have been by Apple?

This is a money grab and those two countries should worry about their policies that have led to terrorism.
really? What does tax evasion/avoidance have to do with terrorism other than it creates a way for terrorists to hide their money in offshore tax havens?
Score: 11 Votes (Like | Disagree)
576316 Avatar
58 months ago
Yeah like companies paying tax in the countries the product was sold in, not siphoning profits through a lower tax country. Like how Apple bill all sales through Ireland for less tax - they shouldn’t be able to do that. English sale = English tax on that sale.
Score: 10 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Plutonius Avatar
58 months ago
Finding loopholes is not tax evasion.

All as the countries have to do is change their tax laws to eliminate loopholes.
Score: 10 Votes (Like | Disagree)
VulchR Avatar
58 months ago
Following tax rules (loopholes or tax avoidance) is not immoral. These companies have teams of tax lawyers that comb through these tax rules to make sure they pay not one cent more or less then they have to. There is NOTHING immoral or loathsome about that. Immoral would be me screwing my sister. That is immoral.

I have no problem if these countries want to change tax rules but blame should be placed on these governments that designed the tax rules in the first place and not the companies that follow them. If these companies are evading taxes then by all means prosecute them. Other then last years EU commission flawed, vague ruling that took them 3 years to come up with against Apple which most likely won't hold water in court, these governments have failed to prove any tax evasion.
No need to bring your sister into this... o_O

It is immoral to use the infrastructure and public services of a country but not contribute to their upkeep. Moreover, not only is it immoral but it is unsustainable.
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The rich pay most of the taxes
Yes, they do. However, the portion of taxes they pay is not commensurate with the proportion of wealth that they own.
Score: 9 Votes (Like | Disagree)
edk99 Avatar
58 months ago
Good. I don't care of tax avoidance is legal or not - legal or not tax avoidance is loathsome and immoral. What I do care about is that the rich and the corporations seem to wiggle out of a reasonable effective tax rate while public services are being stretched to the limit. It's time for them to pay their fair share, for otherwise the economy and indeed our culture will not be sustainable.
Following tax rules (loopholes or tax avoidance) is not immoral. These companies have teams of tax lawyers that comb through these tax rules to make sure they pay not one cent more or less then they have to. There is NOTHING immoral or loathsome about that. Immoral would be me screwing my sister. That is immoral.

I have no problem if these countries want to change tax rules but blame should be placed on these governments that designed the tax rules in the first place and not the companies that follow them. If these companies are evading taxes then by all means prosecute them. Other then last years EU commission flawed, vague ruling that took them 3 years to come up with against Apple which most likely won't hold water in court, these governments have failed to prove any tax evasion.
Score: 4 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Tapiture Avatar
58 months ago
I’ll be cheering from the sidelines. It’s ridiculous how this huge tech companies like Apple and Google are somehow above the law. In order for an economy to thrive, a quarter of corporate profits have to be handed over, and these tech giants are paying way less than everyone else.
Score: 3 Votes (Like | Disagree)

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