Carl Icahn's Stake in Apple Passes $3 Billion Amid Continued Stock Buyback Pressure

carl_icahnActivist investor Carl Icahn has just tweeted that his investment firm has acquired an additional $500 million in Apple stock over the past two weeks, pushing his stake to over $3 billion. Calling continued investment in Apple a "no brainer" at current prices, Icahn also continues to believe that Apple needs to significantly increase its stock buyback program. A more in-depth letter from Icahn on the topic will be forthcoming.


Icahn began buying significant amounts of Apple stock last August, and has been vocal about encouraging Apple to increase its buyback program to help investors. Icahn met with Apple CEO Tim Cook at the end of September, where he pushed for a $150 billion buyback. As Icahn has taken his case to investors, he has scaled back his proposal and is asking shareholders to vote on a $50 billion proposal at next month's shareholders meeting. That proposal would, however, only be advisory, and should it be approved Apple would continue to be free to do as it pleases.

For its part, Apple management has stated that it is continually evaluating its buyback program and that it plans to announce any changes to the program during the first half of this year.

Update: Icahn appeared on CNBC today to shed more light on his Apple position.

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9 months ago

I don't know much about the market either, but I would imagine that if Apple buys back stock then there are less shares available to the public. I would think that would push the price per share up.

Maybe someone will chime in.


Don't worry, about 98% of the comments in these threads come from people who don't know a thing about the markets.

When you buy shares in a public company, you are buying a piece of that company's earnings. Buybacks concentrate earnings on fewer shares. If a company with 100M shares earned $100M, the earnings per share (EPS) is $1.00. If they take 50M shares off the market through a buyback, EPS will rise to $2.00. If companies do nothing about the number of shares outstanding, over time the opposite will happen, as they grant shares and stock options to executives. This is called dilution. In part, buybacks are a strategy to reverse dilution.

So just to be clear about a couple of things: First, Apple is under no "pressure" do anything, so the headline of this article is fundamentally misleading. Second, the buyback that Icahn is proposing represents less than the amount of free cash Apple will generate in one year. So even if Apple accepted the proposal, they'd still end up the year with more than the $150B cash hoard that they are sitting on today.

Finally, Icahn is fundamentally correct. When a company generates cash far in excess of their ability to reinvest it in growing the company, then they need to find other ways to benefit stockholders. The two ways are dividends and buybacks. Apple is already doing both, so the only question is whether either or both will be increased. Last I heard from Apple, they were preparing to announcing something this month. It might come next week, at the earnings announcement.
Rating: 20 Votes
9 months ago
scum of the earth
Rating: 17 Votes
9 months ago
Investors like this guy are the reason why company's fail. Take a look at his dealings throughout his history, it's disgusting but he always walks away with millions while the workers get ****ed.

Look up the practice known as Greenmail, this guy was a pioneer of the practice and ruined thousands of lives in the process of doing absolutely nothing of value.
Rating: 17 Votes
9 months ago

I actually can't tell if this guy is just a good businessman, or a 'hidden in plain view' criminal...?


I would choose the latter ;)
Rating: 13 Votes
9 months ago
This guy is just a parasite of the system...making money of thin air
Rating: 11 Votes
9 months ago
I actually can't tell if this guy is just a good businessman, or a 'hidden in plain view' criminal...?
Rating: 10 Votes
9 months ago

Icahn is a slut! Always was, always will be.


Wow, you sure shot holes in my argument. You must do this for a living.
Rating: 7 Votes
9 months ago
Is this guy ever going to give up?
Rating: 6 Votes
9 months ago

Not to mention a little airline called TWA...


Exactly! The man is a money hungry monster, but Time calls him the most important investor in the USA (which is true given he could cause great harm all on his own) and the rest of the media kisses his ass like he owns them.....wait a tick.
Rating: 6 Votes
9 months ago

This typifies the short-termism of the exceedingly rich who greedily and relentlessly seek more money. And for what? Why does a billionaire need more money?

For those of you who see Apple's 'hoard' as 'dead money', there are two kinds of opportunity cost: The first is the opportunity cost of not making a profit today. The second is the opportunity of a company failing in the long run by not making major investments. Of course stockholders worry about the former, because they can bail out by selling their stocks before a company goes bankrupt. From the perspective of the people who work for the company, and of the people who enjoy the company's products, therein lies the problem.

And I can't believe that somebody actually sided with a billionaire in a post above... :mad:


Talking about Apple becoming unprofitable. Scary. Apple currently earns about a billion a week. For the cash to be of operational significance, that profit would need to evaporate. Nice prediction. Got any others? Go ahead, make our day.

Apple already has more than enough cash to invest in growth. Far more, obviously.

This non-billionaire is grateful for Icahn throwing his support behind the stock, but that's probably because I am an actual Apple stockholder who stands to benefit. Unlike probably nearly everyone else commenting here, investors put their money where their mouth is. I will side with who is right, and who has something to gain or lose, so I will not side with you or anyone else who makes uninformed statements and probably isn't an actual stakeholder besides.

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They might find that they need that cash hoard some day to remain competitive.


How? Insert theories here: ____________
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