Apple Lobbying Against Arizona Bill That Would Let Developers Use Third-Party Payment Options

Arizona is considering legislation that would prevent developers from being forced to use Apple's in-app purchase options, and as the bill heads to the Arizona Senate, Apple and Google are lobbying heavily against it.

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As outlined by Protocol, Apple has been working against the bill since last month. Apple lobbyist Rob Didiron began fighting the legislation before it had been formally introduced, with Apple also hiring additional lobbyists and sending lawyers to Arizona.

"We went through a very difficult weekend where Apple and Google hired probably almost every lobbyist in town," said Arizona State Representative Regina Cobb, who created HB2005.

HB2005, an amendment to an 2005 Arizona bill, is designed to let app developers use third-party payment options to avoid the 15 to 30 percent cut that Apple takes from app purchases and in-app payments.

Cobb developed the bill after being approached by lobbyist Ryan O'Daniel, who represents the Coalition for App Fairness. The Coalition for App Fairness was formed in September 2020 and its members include Epic Games, Spotify, Tile, Basecamp, Blix, and other developers that have had disagreements with Apple.

In a hearing last week, Apple's chief compliance officer Kyle Andeer called HB2005 a "government mandate that Apple give away the App Store."

"This would allow billion-dollar developers to take all of the app store's value for free, even if they're selling digital goods, even if they're making millions or billions of dollars doing it. The bill is a government mandate that Apple give away the app store."

Apple in November lowered its ‌App Store‌ cut for developers making under $1 million to 15 percent, so for the majority of developers, Apple now collects 15 percent instead of 30 percent. Andeer said that 83 percent of developers pay no fees at all, as they offer free apps.

Apple last month successfully fought back against a similar bill in North Dakota, which would have paved the way for third-party app store options. The bill, which was also backed by the Coalition for App Fairness, was shot down by the North Dakota Senate.

It is not clear if HB2005 will pass in Arizona, as it is facing opposition from Arizona Democrats who do not believe that state legislature should interfere with ongoing litigation, referencing the legal battle between Apple and ‌Epic Games‌. Cobb this week plans to meet with Apple executives to "negotiate the contours of the bill."

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jz0309 Avatar
46 months ago
again, an Epic lobbyists influences a politician to put a bill up ... and then complaining about Apple and Google getting their own lobbyists ... politicians are all the same, as my father said: put all politicians in a sack, use a bat and start hitting the sack, you will always hit the right one ...
Score: 16 Votes (Like | Disagree)
falainber Avatar
46 months ago
In a hearing last week ('https://www.kawc.org/post/arizona-lawmakers-address-battle-between-app-developers-and-tech-giants'), Apple's chief compliance officer Kyle Andeer called HB2005 a "government mandate that Apple give away the App Store.

Nobody is forcing Apple to give away their App Store. That's a lie.
Score: 15 Votes (Like | Disagree)
farewelwilliams Avatar
46 months ago
If third party iOS apps are able to use a third party payment solution, guaranteed that $99/year + 15% aren't going to be the only Apple fees indie iOS developers need to worry about. Only the bigger devs benefit from this since paying for hosting/servers/google maps are peanuts to them.

Don't let people like Tim from Epic or DHH from Basecamp/Hey fool you, they absolutely aren't looking out for the smaller guys. They're only using that argument for themselves.

Arizona hasn't thought this through, sadly.
Score: 13 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Apple_Robert Avatar
46 months ago
I agree with Apple on this matter. If developers want to be able to profit from Apple's App Store, then it is only right they abide by the rules instead of trying to bypass them.
Score: 11 Votes (Like | Disagree)
ComRadMac Avatar
46 months ago
"We went through a very difficult weekend where Apple and Google hired probably almost every lobbyist in town,"
"Cobb developed the bill after being approached by lobbyist Ryan O'Daniel"

So: "A lobbyist bribed me to write this bill, but then some other lobbyists tried to bribe me to kill it, and that was quite difficult."
Score: 10 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Somian Avatar
46 months ago
Rightfully so.

Even without considering traditional in-app purchases, developers could just make an app that's $10 one-time payment "free" and then have a "in-app purchase" to unlock it.

This will give us terrible user experience because every app will require the user to manage their own logins and license keys, compared to the current state where everything is managed through the Apple account, similar to how it also works on XBOX, PlayStation, Nintendo…
Score: 10 Votes (Like | Disagree)