Apple Pay Cash Preview: A Look at Apple's New Peer-to-Peer Payments Service

I don't know... Facebook messanger has this feature for over a year now and you don't have to deal with a virtual third-party card. Also I can send money to everybody with a Facebook account.

You mean the service that has you add a card to your Facebook account as opposed to Apple's solution which keeps your card data on the device in the Secure Element, not stored on FB's servers? Yeah, I'll stick with a secure solution where my bank sends and receives secure transactions based on a representational card number instead of never sending my physical card number and never having Apple store my card in iCloud.

I don't know... Facebook messanger has this feature for over a year now and you don't have to deal with a virtual third-party card. Also I can send money to everybody with a Facebook account.

But with Facebook you're the product. I don't trust Facebook at all. I trust Apple. iMessages are encrypted.

This sounds complicated enough to warrant the question: why not just use a cryptocurrency or something like paypal?

Apple also lack the marketshare to create enough of a network effect for Apple Pay Cash to catch on. Why even bother setting it up if only iPhone users can send and receive? Far easier to use something universal.

As someone who uses paypal and several cryptocurrencies, I struggle to think of a scenario in which Apple Pay Cash is worth the trouble to set up.

Let’s be honest, this is a game changer.

I don't know... Facebook messanger has this feature for over a year now and you don't have to deal with a virtual third-party card. Also I can send money to everybody with a Facebook account.

I've been trying to find information on Apple Pay Cash's sending/receiving policies, and so far haven't had that much success..

I read the terms and conditions, and in there, it says that payments are non-refundable once sent. Great! BUT, if I send money from a credit card and/or a debit card, I can always get that charge reversed...

Now, let's say I'm selling an iPhone on Craigslist, and we both agree to pay via. Apple Pay Cash.

But, unknown to me was that the person who I'm selling the phone to is a huge scammer and as soon as I give him the iPhone (and receive the Apple Pay Cash payment), he's on the phone with his credit card company claiming that the charge wasn't authorized.

Let's also assume that the credit card company sides with the scammer..

What happens to the money I received? Does it get returned to the issuing bank? Am I on the hook for the money? What if I've already transferred the money to my bank? Is it going to get reversed from there too?

Or, is this the risk Apple/Green Dot is taking, and THEY will absorb the loss and go after the scammer for the loss, meanwhile I'm safe and secure with the Apple Pay Cash payment I received?

Sure, payments from friends are fine -- but, for this to really be useful, I need to know what happens in the event that someone claims it was an unauthorized payment...

I installed iOS 11.2.pb2 yesterday and then tried to activate Apple Cash. Was a bit surprised and disappointed by experience:

Some comments:
- in verifying my identity during set up, I entered the address I use for all my written correspondence, my PO box (we took down the curb box long ago), I consider this my “home” mailing address;
- the set-up indicated home (not physical) address, but did not exclude POB’s;
- upon entering, the tool said it could not verify and said I’d have to call Apple;
- using the number provided I was connected to an Apple advisor, who asked a number of questions before connecting me to an “Apple Cash specialist”;
- had to repeat this step 3 times because the 1st Time i could hardly hear the specialist as there was so much static on the line and the call dropped;
- 2nd time was my fault as while I was waiting to be connected to the specialist I put Skype on mute and couldn’t get off mute quickly enough (they gave me ample opportunity to do this, but I was to slow);
- 3rd time the Apple guy started to create a case file, unlike 1 & 2, and asked for IMEI before I told him I should just be connected thru, he went off line to check then came back to hand off to the specialist;
- the specialists are employees of GreenDot Inc. in Spartanburg, SC (NC?);
- both the first Apple Advisor and the 3rd specialist said there had been many activation problems. The advisor said a fix was being implemented and users were being asked to wait until Thursday and to call back;
- also said that they didn’t want to lose customers and preferred users not use the alternative of requesting account deletion (she said this several times as we talked as if this was a major talking point she had been drilled on);
- at some point she said I would have to scan my ID and “it would be shared with their verification partner and it would be retained as long as required” (I think she said also “by law”);
- I told her given all the PII breaches of late, I wasn’t cool with having to now share this with a 3rd (green dot) and 4th (unknown partner);
- I asked why this was even necessary, she said because of FDIC rules and may have said something about crime prevention and fraud but I was thinking about this requirement;
- I told her I couldn’t use this service without linking it to a credit or debit card, and I was already verified by the financial institutions that issued them, and why wasn’t that enough (AMEX is a bank, USBank is a bank, my credit unions are banks);
- I really didn’t expect her to be able to answer because such was not a conversation likely contemplated by her training;
- I told her that I found the photo verification requirement to be excessive and out of line with the simplicity of most things Apple and I wasn’t comfortable sharing more data, and at this point I don’t need to have it set up;
- so I told her that I didn’t see a point in waiting until Thursday to call back for verification because I didn’t like the verification requirements so I wanted to delete my account. She tried to dissuade me several times “would hate to lose a customer” but she did it;
- in the settings the Cash Card displays a closed badge.
- in the wallet the Cash card says the account “has been closed by request” but can be renewed.

Can you send money to Non-Apple people?

You can't send an iMessage to non-Apple people so I'm going to assume nope.

Let’s be honest, this is a game changer.

yea absolutely not. can't send to people without the apple. and it's just more confusing than venmo

So you can only send in whole dollar amounts? Weird.

Where do you see that? The values in the article are minimums and maximums. Anything in between the mins and maxs including cents will work.

This might be a good time to introduce iMessages to the google store for the rest of the world.