Apple's Acquisition of Intel's Smartphone Modem Business Completed, Intel Admits 'Multi-Billion Dollar Loss'

On the other hand, building a cutting edge modem requires making calculated calls on where the industry will move and having deep knowledge of the relevant standards, and any non-standard enhancements, that would allow interoperability with carrier equipment. Since Apple doesn't build carrier equipment, they will likely always be trailing the competition.

The wireless standards track is well-known by all the players, and there aren't really that many choices you have to make. And Apple has some experience being on the cutting edge of wireless: they were the first vendor to ship 802.11. And in any case the standards are, well, standards. No equipment vendor in their right mind wouldn't allow Apple into their interoperability labs.

The real question, though, is if it's really worth it for Apple to be in the modem business at all. That business relies on economies of scale and a lot of engineering and wireless expertise.

I'd guess the goal is to do what it did with Bluetooth and the W1, making the modem low-power. Radios are a big power draw, and I doubt Qualcomm or Intel were willing to make a power/performance tradeoff. At some point that could become yet another competitive advantage for Apple.

I mean, they could probably save a bunch of power just by optimizing the modem's software stack. Most of those modems are driven using the Hayes AT command set, which means you need some kind of serial emulator. Apple could rip out that interface layer and go direct to the modem, which would make it more efficient, which should lead to better power/performance.

If they did it for BT/WiFi they should be able to do it for LTE/5G/6G and beyond.

I'm curious to see what kind of performance an Apple-made modem would have, assuming Apple makes one.

I'm curious to see what kind of performance an Apple-made modem would have, assuming Apple makes one.

Hopefully it's as good as their A-series chips. Can't be any worse than Intel's offerings.

No surprises there.
I also think Apple designed modems will be several years out

So now, starting with 2021 probably we will have macs with 5G built in

Still want Qualcomm chips though.

Would you rather have the A13 or the Snapdragon 855?

Hopefully it's as good as their A-series chips. Can't be any worse than Intel's offerings.

I don't think this is a valid comparison. The A-series chip is something completely hidden from the external world. On the other hand, building a cutting edge modem requires making calculated calls on where the industry will move and having deep knowledge of the relevant standards, and any non-standard enhancements, that would allow interoperability with carrier equipment. Since Apple doesn't build carrier equipment, they will likely always be trailing the competition.

At least Intel makes better processors than AMD so this mistake should not hurt them that much (i.e. their computer chip business will make up the loss).

What rock have you been stuck under.... AMD is crushing intel!

the only warfront AMD is struggling against is Nvidia

Still want Qualcomm chips though.

The wireless standards track is well-known by all the players, and there aren't really that many choices you have to make. And Apple has some experience being on the cutting edge of wireless: they were the first vendor to ship 802.11. And in any case the standards are, well, standards. No equipment vendor in their right mind wouldn't allow Apple into their interoperability labs.

The real question, though, is if it's really worth it for Apple to be in the modem business at all. That business relies on economies of scale and a lot of engineering and wireless expertise.

I'd guess the goal is to do what it did with Bluetooth and the W1, making the modem low-power. Radios are a big power draw, and I doubt Qualcomm or Intel were willing to make a power/performance tradeoff. At some point that could become yet another competitive advantage for Apple.

I mean, they could probably save a bunch of power just by optimizing the modem's software stack. Most of those modems are driven using the Hayes AT command set, which means you need some kind of serial emulator. Apple could rip out that interface layer and go direct to the modem, which would make it more efficient, which should lead to better power/performance.

If they did it for BT/WiFi they should be able to do it for LTE/5G/6G and beyond.

It's largely about the implementation. If it were as easy as following standards, everyone would be as far ahead in 5G as Huawei. And MediaTek and Samsung's 5G baseband would be equal to Qualcomm's.

Intel chose to implement their LTE and 5G basebands using DSPs and x86 cores instead of being hardwired. It's one of the reasons why their modems use more power compared to Qualcomm.
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I don't think this is a valid comparison. The A-series chip is something completely hidden from the external world. On the other hand, building a cutting edge modem requires making calculated calls on where the industry will move and having deep knowledge of the relevant standards, and any non-standard enhancements, that would allow interoperability with carrier equipment. Since Apple doesn't build carrier equipment, they will likely always be trailing the competition.

Agreed. A-series chips are built on the backbone of existing ARM developments. More importantly, Apple can customize features for iOS and remove backwards compatibility, such as 32-bit blocks. They can't do the same for a modem and remove 3G, for example.