Apple Seeds Tenth Beta of macOS Monterey to Developers

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The only new change in Monterey is a bad one and already available to Big Sur. This seems like the worst update in years. I'll probably be holding until next year's update.

It’s much better and more stabil then big sur

Big Sur is now bug free.

Wow, this pretty much destroys the only use case for this feature for me. Way to go Apple for not understanding that sometimes one can use two machines signed into different Apple IDs.

Let's given them time to get Universal Control working properly under the same ID, and maybe later they will find a way to enable it for different IDs.

You're right about those Alder Lake Intel I9 CPUs 'smoking' the M1 chip. They will definitely run hot ?! Also, M1 is considered lower-end. They should not be compared to Core i9 processors.

M1, maybe. it is the slowest Apple Silicon chip intended for the low end of the Apple line and it seriously challenges current Intel chips. Apple does not intend to stop there. Do you really think that Alder lake will smoke M1x chips? We'll see how that goes once they are both in users hands.

I mean… Intel's own marketing promises a roughly 20% IPC boost for Alder Lake. That would allow it to match the M1, while arriving a year later. It also raises questions such as: at the same wattage, or with more thermal output?

But that's for a single thread.

For multiple threads, we'll probably see:


* Alder Lake-P, at 12-45 W, with 6 p-cores and 8 e-cores. In contrast, the M1X, likely at slightly lower wattage but for the same kind of device (e.g., a 16-inch MacBook Pro), is rumored to feature 8 p-cores and 2 e-cores. Assuming the M1X has the same clock (which I wouldn't be so sure about — don't be surprised to see it go to something like 3.5 or 3.8 GHz, for another 9-19% boost, given that there will be more thermal headroom), that already makes the M1X more powerful at multithreaded stuff — and at least equally as powerful at single-threaded.
* Alder Lake-S, at 65-120W, with 8 p-cores and 8 e-cores, for some reason. Hard to say how this compares to Apple, since they haven't released anything remotely in this area yet.
* Alder Lake-M, at 7-15W, which isn't shipping until early next year but compares most closely to M1. Except, at that point, Apple will probably have the M2, which will bring a 9% boost if the A15 is anything to go by.

I see no reason to believe any of those will "smoke" the M1. They will certainly come a little closer to catching up, but probably with quite a few asterisks attached, like:


* how much more quickly will they throttle, compared to the M1?
* likewise, what is actual wattage compared to claimed TDP?
* when will Intel ship them at scale? This went very poorly for Ice Lake, and still not too great for Tiger Lake. The longer they wait, the more likely the M2 ships first.
* and by the time the M2 has shipped, who cares?

Now, if Intel can pull another 20% next year, that could be interesting. But it isn't looking like that.

Can I ask what “more stable” actually means? I am generally a novice, and only use whatever is publicly available. In my mind, stable means a full system crash requiring a restart. I’m guessing I get those 1-2 times a year. If that is what you are referencing, how would you be able to test more/less stable in a relatively short period of time. Thanks for your replies.

Stable means what you said. "more stable" in macrumors forum translation means "I have a problem and I'm too lazy to find out why and solve it, so I blame the OS" ;) For me Big Sur is pretty solid and from what I read Monterey will be mostly a refinement.

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