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Dreadful that so much poorly thought-out virtue-signalling nonsense is costing more lives than the virus itself. The misleading manipulation of people into senseless hysteria is sickening.

You know, two nearby hospitals in Central Europe have been following different paths. One has been treating patients according to virtue-signalling centralised edicts; the other has been treating on personalised patient needs. The first has a 60 per cent death rate. The second has zero per cent.

Panic, hysteria, poor management, misinformation, virtue signalling, and a total lack of leadership are doing so much avoidable harm.

As for virtue signaling I’m sick and tired of the ads corporations are putting out about how they care for their customers more than anything, are here for us, and we’ll get through this together all the while syrupy music is playing in the background. I want to vomit

Dreadful that so much poorly thought-out virtue-signalling nonsense is costing more lives than the virus itself. The misleading manipulation of people into senseless hysteria is sickening.

You know, two nearby hospitals in Central Europe have been following different paths. One has been treating patients according to virtue-signalling centralised edicts; the other has been treating on personalised patient needs. The first has a 60 per cent death rate. The second has zero per cent.

Panic, hysteria, poor management, misinformation, virtue signalling, and a total lack of leadership are doing so much avoidable harm.

Nothing says "COVID-19 infected cell" quite like a cartoon ship steering wheel.

Well-said. The entire point of closing up was to slow the spread and prevent the healthcare system from being overloaded. Well, that's done, so we should be free to live our lives, right?

It's not done. The restrictions are the only thing that keep the case numbers from growing exponentially again and overwhelming the healthcare system. Think about it: nothing has changed from earlier this year when the virus first started cirulating. We have no vaccine, no cure, and are far away from "herd immunity". Why would you think the result would be any different now if all restrictions were lifted?

We don't know precisely, but all indications are (once you rule out unreliable testing) is that people are not getting reinfected. Long enough to generate herd immunity and kill this thing.

This is just empty speculation.

Lots of things.
1. We know with a high degree of certainty who the most vulnerable are. They should be quarantined and protected to the best of our ability, which will significantly limit deaths.

Not really. The doctors who are actually treating patients still discover new aspects every day, such as that young people may be at a risk of stroke even if they escape lung infection.

2. We know that heat also slows this thing down considerably, well guess what season we're heading towards? It's already warming up in NYC significantly, which should improve things a good deal.

Actually, we don't know that at all. The virus is spreading rapidly in some countries with warm climates.

3. Individually we have all learned to benefits of social distancing, washing our hands, and wearing masks (gloves don't really help). That too will significantly slow down the spread.

We still don't know exactly how much masks actually help, for example.

You make a lot of assumptions, and clearly suffer from a lack of faith in the average human. The average human, completely voluntarily shut themselves indoors, to their detriment in many cases. The average human is going to social distance. The average human won't be sitting shoulder to shoulder in a movie theater.

You didn't get the point. If you want to open up the economy fully, the average human does not have a choice in many cases. For example, in normal times here in the Bay Area, hundreds of thousands of people per day are dependent on crowded public transport to get to work since roads and highways don't have have the capacity for everyone to use their own car. It's the same in many major cities around the world. And movie theaters were troubled economically before the crisis, many won't survive if they have to cut the number of seats in half or less. The same goes for air travel if the number of passengers per flight has to be cut because middle seats can no longer be used. And so on.

Now, if NYC wasn't run by a buffoon, the logical solution to your bus and train problem would be to run extra trains to keep the density in the trains and buses low, and that would allow some social distancing.

Have you even been on the NYC subway? The trains already run back to back during rush hour. The capacity of any transport system is limited.

"The experts"

You mean the ones you listen to.

I mean the ones who have spent their lives studying the issues. What qualification do you have to know better?

We live in a fascist country today, largely because of those tech giants. There is only one correct viewpoint. While we all admit that we don't have all the information, somehow many have come to the conclusion that there is only one possible answer. A strange contradiction.

:rolleyes:

As for virtue signaling I’m sick and tired of the ads corporations are putting out about how they care for their customers more than anything, are here for us, and we’ll get through this together all the while syrupy music is playing in the background. I want to vomit

Maybe the corporations shouldn’t do anything for fear of insulting the few who don’t want any messages of positivism in their lifes.

Well-said. The entire point of closing up was to slow the spread and prevent the healthcare system from being overloaded. Well, that's done, so we should be free to live our lives, right? Nope. Recent data suggests that the virus is far less deadly than previously thought, so that too should be even more incentive to open up. At this rate, herd-immunity is going to take awhile, which will likely result in many unnecessary deaths.

COVID-19 could inflict a lot Long lasting damage to the organs. It could send you on a ventilator and if you survive could take a month or more for a full recovery.

I would want to get the flu any day of the week over COVID-19. I don’t want to risk being part of the herd. So I’m going to shelter in place until it is deemed reasonably safe. (In the NYC area)