Apple Urges Supreme Court Not to Send Samsung Case Back to Lower Court

by

Samsung_LogoApple has urged the U.S. Supreme Court to rule against Samsung's request to send a longstanding patent lawsuit between the two companies back to lower court for further proceedings, reports Reuters.

Apple told the court that its South Korean rival has "no evidence" that design patent damages should be based on anything less than the value of an entire smartphone, according to court documents filed on Friday. The Supreme Court agreed to hear Samsung's case in December.

Samsung argued that it has been hit with "excessive penalties" for allegedly copying the design of the iPhone. The company claims that the penalties were unfair because Apple was awarded damages from the total profits of the product, while the infringing patent only applied to a component of the smartphone rather than the whole device.

Apple was awarded nearly $1 billion in damages in 2012, but a significant part of the decision was reversed in 2015, leaving Samsung owing $548 million. Samsung has already paid the $548 million, but could win its money back if the ruling is overturned. The patent lawsuit dates back to 2011.

Top Rated Comments

(View all)
Avatar
53 months ago

Apple told the court that its South Korean rival has "no evidence" that design patent damages should be based on anything less than the value of an entire smartphone

Apple should realize they look pretty crappy using that argument since that's exactly how they want damages to be paid when they're on the losing end of lawsuits: damages paid on component cost, not entire device.
Score: 7 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Avatar
53 months ago

Arguing that it's only about a specific component is forgetting the larger picture. Steve Jobs was furious, and rightly so, that Samsung made as close to an exact duplicate of the iPhone as they could possibly manage - Google was even trying to talk Samsung out of doing this (per papers that came out at trial). The original complaint was, they've cravenly copied our whole phone, and here's eleventy-seven patents to show that this is true. The court insisted they winnow it down to just a representative handful of patents, because all them details were too durn confusing to expect jurors/judges to pay attention to. So it got reduced to a handful of patent claims, to make things easier for the court. Then some of those patents got thrown out. Samsung was found guilty as hell, and rightly so. And ever since, Samsung has been whining because: a) they don't like having to give money to other people, and b) they apparently really don't understand that slavishly copying every detail of a competitor's product is wrong (this seems to be a cultural difference). Samsung won't stop fighting until they get back the money that they've had to pay Apple. If it were up to Apple, this would have been over several battles ago, but Samsung, despite having repeatedly lost, keeps it going. Sure, they've gone on to make some nice phones since. But then there are plenty of people in jail who have become nicer people than when they committed their crimes - does this excuse their crimes? Samsung got the attention they wanted in the market, early on, by selling close copies of Apple's phones (and that attention has helped them considerably), but they want the benefit of that act without any of the consequences.

Sure, when S Jobs became furious back in 2010, he was looking at HTC smartphones, not Samsung phones. Samsung was not even a big smartphone player back then -- HTC and MOTO were -- and it was an after thought.

While the court documents show Google engineers warned Samsung's tablet designs resembled the iPad's, we know from the court decisions around the world that NO COURT sided with Apple's claim that Samsung copied their tablet design -- and that Apple's design was merely a rehash of old ideas. In the UK for instance, Apple was ordered to publicly apologize to Samsung and to cease their misleading PR campaign against Samsung. Even in the US, where Judge Koh made heroic effort to depict Samsung as an infringer, the jury disagreed with Apple and Judge Koh.

We also know from the court cases around the world that only a few of those initial claims Apple filed still stand today -- and only in one jurisdiction, Apple's hometown court in SJ. Apple was in fact more or less forced to drop all non-US lawsuits once it became clear that all their patent claims have been either worked around, invalidated or thrown out of court elsewhere. In Germany, for instance, all of Apple's entire patent claims were thrown out. Even in the US, most of the so-called marquee patents Apple touted as their genuine innovation have all but been reviewed and invalidated.

In Apple's second trial, after winning a laughable victory in the lower court case in which Apple claimed its originality in autocorrect, hyperlink, etc, the appeals court reversed all of Apple's win and ordered Apple to pay for Samsung's legal expenses.

I'm guessing that you really haven't been following the lawsuits.. or perhaps confirmation-bias much?
Score: 4 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Avatar
53 months ago

Samsung already paid Apple $548M in the end of 2015 (according to Apple's info). Is there still more to pay?

There's no more to pay. There may be some to pay back. Samsung paid the $548M to Apple with the condition that, based on the SCOTUS decision, the money (or a portion of it) could be returned to Samsung. AFAIK, the negotiated $548M is based on a full device calculation. Samsung argues damages should be calculated on component cost. It's the same argument Apple has used before. (There's an ironic joke in there about Samsung copying Apple's legal strategy:D:p)
Score: 2 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Avatar
53 months ago

You mean manipulate the law and the patent office with bogus claims to force your competitor out of your marketplace or business all together. Or at the very least damage their reputation or ban their prifucts from sale so you can increase market share and profit and sales numbers which in turn allows you to make lazy redesigns of your own competing product. Then yes I'm sure Apple does what anyone else would....

You either don't know the definition of "law", or "manipulate".
Score: 2 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Avatar
53 months ago

Apple should realize they look pretty crappy using that argument since that's exactly how they want damages to be paid when they're on the losing end of lawsuits: damages paid on component cost, not entire device.

This, exactly this.
Score: 2 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Avatar
53 months ago

It's when you read things like this that you realize that's something's broken. Apple, Samsung, the legal system, or all three.

What does that 2011 date have to do with anything? So if authorities are investigating a murder that happened 4 years ago, they should just stop wasting time and tell everyone “too bad” because it’s been “so long?”
Score: 2 Votes (Like | Disagree)

Top Stories

Apple Takes Legal Action Against Small Company With Pear Logo

Saturday August 8, 2020 11:09 am PDT by
Apple is taking legal action against the developers of the app "Prepear" due to its logo, according to iPhone in Canada. Prepear is an app that helps users discover recipes, plan meals, make lists, and arrange grocery deliveries. The app is a spinoff of "Super Healthy Kids," and the founders claim that they are facing litigation from Apple. Apple reportedly takes issue with Prepear's logo, ...

Kuo: Global iPhone Shipments Could Decline Up to 30% If Apple Forced to Remove WeChat From App Store [Updated x2]

Sunday August 9, 2020 10:17 pm PDT by
In a worst-case scenario, Apple's annual global iPhone shipments could decline by 25–30% if it is forced to remove WeChat from its App Stores around the world, according to a new research note from analyst Ming-Chi Kuo viewed by MacRumors. The removal could occur due to a recent executive order aiming to ban U.S. transactions with WeChat and its parent company Tencent. Kuo lays out...

Google Maps Debuts New Apple Watch App and CarPlay Features

Monday August 10, 2020 9:16 am PDT by
Google today announced the launch of several features for Google Maps on Apple products, including new CarPlay functionality and a new Google Maps app that works on Apple Watch. The new Google Maps app for Apple Watch works similarly to the iOS app, allowing Apple Watch owners to get directions for a car, bike, public transit, or on foot. The app supports estimated arrival times and...

Foxconn Reportedly Begins Seasonal Hiring Spree for iPhone 12 Production

Monday August 10, 2020 7:03 am PDT by
Apple's largest manufacturing partner Foxconn has begun its seasonal hiring spree to assist with iPhone 12 production, offering employees who recruit qualified applicants up to a 9,000 yuan bonus, according to Chinese media reports. As usual, Foxconn needs as many hands on deck as possible at its factory in Zhengzhou, China to assist with mass production of the upcoming iPhones. Apple is...

Apple May Release 4G-Only iPhone 12 in Early 2021

Tuesday August 11, 2020 5:28 am PDT by
In a research note shared by Business Insider, Wedbush Securities analysts said that Apple may release a cheaper iPhone 12 in early 2021 with no 5G connectivity. Wedbush initially believed Apple would launch a mix of 4G and 5G iPhone 12 models this fall. Following re-examination of Asian supply chains, analysts Daniel Ives, Strecker Backe, and Ahmad Khalil revised the predictions,...

2020 iMac Teardown Reveals Internal Changes and Similarities

Saturday August 8, 2020 12:44 pm PDT by
A teardown video, shared by OWC, reveals the internal changes in the new 2020 27-inch iMac. The 2020 27-inch iMac was announced earlier this week with 10th-generation Intel Core processors, AMD Radeon Pro 5000 series graphics, up to 128GB of RAM, up to 8TB of storage, a 1080p front-facing FaceTime camera, a True Tone display with a nano-texture glass option, higher fidelity speakers, and...

Apple Believes This German Cycling Path Logo Infringes on Its Own Logo

Wednesday May 1, 2019 9:51 am PDT by
Apple recently objected to the logo of a new German cycling path in an appeal filed with the German Patent and Trademark Office, according to German outlets General-Anzeiger Bonn and Westdeutscher Rundfunk. Apple reportedly takes issue with the logo's green leaf and supposed "bitten" right side, attributes the company believes are too similar to its own logo. The logo, registered with the ...

Apple Seeds First Public Beta of watchOS 7 to Public Beta Testers

Monday August 10, 2020 10:33 am PDT by
Apple today seeded the first public beta of an upcoming watchOS 7 update to public beta testers, one week after seeding the fourth beta to developers and a month and a half after the Worldwide Developers Conference. The update can be downloaded after installing the proper profile from Apple's Public Beta website. watchOS 7 should not be installed on a primary device as it is still an early...

Apple Watch Likely to Adopt MicroLED Display Technology in 3-4 Years

Monday August 10, 2020 2:55 am PDT by
This year's Apple Watch Series 6 is expected to feature an OLED screen like previous models, but a future model is likely to be the first Apple product to adopt MicroLED display technology, albeit not for another three to four years. That's the main takeaway reading between the lines of comments made by the chairman of Epistar, Taiwan's top LED producer, which is reportedly working on a...

Apple Seeds iOS 14 and iPadOS 14 Public Beta 4 to Testers

Thursday August 6, 2020 10:05 am PDT by
Apple today seeded new public betas of upcoming iOS 14 and iPadOS 14 updates to its public beta testing group. Today's software releases, which Apple labels as fourth betas to keep them in line with developer betas, are actually the third betas that Apple has provided and they come two weeks after the prior beta releases. Public beta testers who have signed up for Apple's beta testing...