Adobe November 2015 Creative Cloud Update Includes New Features for Photoshop, Premiere Pro, After Effects and More

I am curious if the cloud madness is finished in some years. Then maybe I will buy Adobe software again, but not for rent.

I believe that those companies currently have greater losses than they want to believe an/or to publish. Of course I hope so ;-)

Adobe's subscription service has been around since 2012. Obviously they're doing OK with it.

The company benefits because they have a steady monthly income. That's why they do it.

The customer can benefit too... by not having to plunk down $2600 for Adobe Master Collection... and then $500 every 18 months for updates.

Sure... if you bought an Adobe package and kept using that same version for 5 years or more... and never spent any extra money on updates... you'd come out ahead monetarily. But you'd be using progressively older software over time.

Or you make relatively small monthly payments... and you get continual updates.

Adobe never catered to the hobbyist market anyway. Nobody was paying $700 for Photoshop or $2600 for Master Collection for "fun"

It was most likely used for "business"

So if you're using Adobe software to make money... it shouldn't matter the payment method.

I know it was a shock to go from perpetual licenses to a subscription service... but apparently it's going well.

It's $600 a year to get access to every piece of software Adobe offers... plus TypeKit, mobile apps, file and profile syncing and other services.

That's money well spent in my opinion. I can cover my $50/month payment in a little over an hour of work :)

Is it still practically malware, running buggy stuff in the background that clogs your system and your menu bar, is impossible to troubleshoot or even uninstall, phones home every few minutes even when you're not running any Adobe apps, and makes the Guest account unusable?

Or is it just plain well-crafted apps again at last?

And have they fixed more bugs than they've added, for the first time in years? Because you know, they get paid whether they fix bugs or not... pretty sweet deal.

My CC subscription is up. I'm sorry I paid, and I won't be renewing. Back to CS6! I now have sunk money into Adobe for nothing for 2 years, and they're laughing all the way to the bank. The features added since CS6 are bloat that in no way was worth the price.

I remember when Adobe software was my favorite on the planet... good times.

I am curious if the cloud madness is finished in some years. Then maybe I will buy Adobe software again, but not for rent.
I believe that those companies currently have greater losses than they want to believe an/or to publish. Of course I hope so ;-)

I don't care about new features. I only care about the bloat and the bad business model.

justified or not ?

I don't think it is justified. I know a lot of artists that use Adobe products and they all seem to be very happy. I myself have PS, LR, Pr, Audition and Flash installed on 2 Macs and one Windows PC and have zero problems. Then again I don't waste time looking for issues. I go in, edit my photos or videos and collect my fees. Simple and painless.

Still no updates in CC! Only Media Encoder and it takes 4 minutes now to load!!! On a macpro 12c with SSD! FFS Adobe! Get your sh*t together.

I gave up on Media Encoder years ago - iFFmpeg + ffmpeg 2.8.3 and the speed/output is superior to what I've experienced on both Adobe Media Encoder and Apple Compressor.

Then again I don't waste time looking for issues..

That's great that it's all working for you, but for myself (and I assume others), the technical issues are serious and real. I don't need to look for them.

Why?

Because it's way more expensive for people who only use a few components of the suite? And as a matter of principle, since you used to get perpetual licences which you could and still can conceivably use to open your work forever (even if you have to resort to some tricks like virtualization), even if for some reason (unemployment, retirement) you stopped paying for the subscription (which would force you to pay up later and install a newer version, potentially incompatible with your older artwork… Take the botched FreeHand-to-Illustrator transition; as a matter of fact, Affinity Designer does a better job than Ai in converting older FreeHand documents by reverse-engineering Macromedia's formats, while Adobe owns the frigging IP to those and doesn't bother to even provide a decent converter for current CC versions or in standalone form… What about forcing you to pay for newer versions even if you didn't want to upgrade to them and upgrade your OS because of some big investment in older, unsupported peripherals)?

I honestly don't get why us anti-CC crowd *have* to keep explaining ourselves all the time. It's our decision, and it's based on facts and sound financial and business reasoning; we respect (albeit in an admittedly snarky way, but we do) that your choice to embark on Adobe's racketeering scheme may actually fit your bleeding-edge professional lifestyle perfectly, if you can afford that overall, but please understand and respect our reasoning as well. Some of us freelancers (and small-to-medium-sized businesses) work in less well-off countries and have to make-do with older gear and stay a bit behind the software and hardware curve, and still do fine professionally doing just that and working only in one or two fields, unlike the ADD-riddled, unspecialized youngsters trying to find their voice and field who can actually benefit from the CC model because it empowers them to do just that. To each his own, I guess… But being force-fed sometimes useless or untimely upgrades just to feed the corporate and monopolistic beast that Adobe has become is just unpalatable.

Finally, if I may add my €0,02 about subscriptions in general:

They make a lot of sense in some fields, like media (Spotify/Apple Music/online newspapers…), or services (ISPs, cloud storage…), and they may even make sense, for some (or even a majority!), even for professional tools. But the fact of the matter is that not even Microsoft, of all companies, has fully transitioned their main cash-cow, Office, to the subscription model. Because they are not effing morons and understand that catering to niches, which is VERY easy when it comes to software development and even EASIER when it comes to software licensing, just makes a lot of business sense, period. Adobe's decision of going CC-only (while still offering a perpetual licence option for Lightroom, which speaks volumes and contradicts their main strategy) reeks of greed and will bite them in the a$$, very soon.

The hate for subscription models is silly here. As an editor, I've used all three NLEs. FCPX is the only one offering updates for free--which is probably atonement for pissing off the huge FCP7 user base.

But truth be told, subscriptions make sense--Walter Murch just mentioned that he and Joel Coen discussed the perks of cutting features in Premiere Pro over lunch.

For the first time in NLE history, they are able to email the Adobe staff, ask for new features, and get them 3 months later.

But are we getting proper full screen support or are we still gonna be stuck with crappy ports of a Windows application.