Apple and Samsung CEOs Agree to Mediation Meeting in U.S. Patent Fight

Part of the reason I sold my AAPL kinda recently: Samsung gets to rip Apple off without any significant punishment. Even if they got hit with the $1G bill, it wouldn't really matter. Not even necessarily patent infringement but careful copying, things that they'll get away with or won't take much of a penalty for in court. Meanwhile Apple gets its public image hurt when they sue.

"You can't patent the rectangle." Sorry for probably being the 1000th visitor to use this:


No way to prevent them from doing this. Some of it is just following a trend that Apple set, something that Apple has done to other companies. But I don't care about who's right and who's wrong, just who makes the money.

Someone on MR posted this earlier. I was shocked:

If I were Tim, I would still pursue an injunction so that there are some more immediate, enforceable consequences should Samsung violate the anti-cloning agreement. Those injunctions are about specific patents and features, so it ties in to the anti-cloning clause.

It wouldn't surprise me if a dispute broke out about that clause sooner or later. In that case Samsung would have successfully reset the legal proceedings and bought themselves substantially more time.

An injunction (over, say, the rubber-banding effect) would be a clear statement to Samsung: we own all of this Intellectual Property, we have demonstrated your infringement and have the power to stop your current implementation of it. However, we will not enforce that injunction as long as you agree to this contract not to clone our products (however that's defined - the contract is confidential so I don't know), and pay royalties for what you do use.

All of that is necessary because of Samsung's poor conduct. Their copying has been far more reckless and widespread than any other Android OEM (such as HTC), and they have constantly stalled and delayed the legal process, bringing things like SEPs in to the mix (which did not exactly please the EU competition authorities).

I think it's in both companies best interests to see this settled. Nothing is gained by either in this process. Besides, the new Samsung interface more closely resembles Windows Phone, so Apple has less to worry about now...

The patent troll case better be over.

RE: Patent Troll

I don't think that phrase means what you think it means.

Apple will just keep slamming Samsung because they're 100% in the right and they know it. Samsung had better figure it out and come up with something original. That's easier said than done, though, considering Samsung's never come with anything original in the mobile market.

Should Braun start suing Apple, due to very similar designs?

While some of the comparisons definitely show influences in basic shapes and materials - and more, in the case of the calculator - I'll always ask myself how drunk someone has to be to compare the Braun speaker to the iMac. It's pretty bizarre...

Apple will just keep slamming Samsung because they're 100% in the right and they know it. Samsung had better figure it out and come up with something original. That's easier said than done, though, considering Samsung's never come with anything original in the mobile market.

That is so far from the truth now

Part of the reason I sold my AAPL kinda recently: Samsung gets to rip Apple off without any significant punishment. Even if they got hit with the $1G bill, it wouldn't really matter. Not even necessarily patent infringement but careful copying, things that they'll get away with or won't take much of a penalty for in court. Meanwhile Apple gets its public image hurt when they sue.

"You can't patent the rectangle." Sorry for probably being the 1000th visitor to use this:
Image (http://cdn.maypalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Samsung-Products-vs-Apple-products.jpg)

No way to prevent them from doing this. Some of it is just following a trend that Apple set, something that Apple has done to other companies. But I don't care about who's right and who's wrong, just who makes the money.

Someone on MR posted this earlier. I was shocked:
Image (http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/508573fe69bedddd2c00000b-2352-1568/apple-vs-samsung.jpg%3FmaxX%3D620)

LOL Sums it up in pictures...
Samsung was a useless, poor quality, cheap Korean knock-off brand before they became the flagship Apple-copying phone/tablet brand.

Since copying Apple's design they have become THE flagship 'if you want to look like Apple but don't want to buy Apple' brand.

I'm not too worried because that's what Korean brands do. Hyundai for example sells cheap cars that copy designs. You can get a V6 Hyundai (stacked with gimmicks) for less than a base model V6 sold by most other brands. They perform poorly and break down easily but you get seemingly more for less.

Other brands with lesser market shares still survive and make more money. I'm confident Apple will continue to do so as long as they keep innovating.

It is annoying however, that others being able to copy without punishment can eat into their exclusive experience. It's sad seeing so many people bag out Apple when what they love is Apple's multi-touch phone experience. Credit where due...

As for Hyundai I can speak from experience can you? They are built just as well as Toyota if not better. And what gimmicks are you talking about?

You're speaking from experience are you mate? Because I'm talking about studies/statistics. When I go to buy for a car, I look at which ones are rated as being the most reliable by national studies...etc rather than 'oh in my experience _____ are no good'.

Check for example JD Power:

http://autos.jdpower.com/ratings/dependability.htm

Most dependable/reliable cars. Check the top brands... Toyota, Lexus, Scion, Mazda, Nissan... see a pattern? JAPANESE cars. Cameras... you'll see similar patterns... Nikon, Ricoh, Sony...etc. Korea just doesn't make the same standard of consumables.

Yes Korean cars and consumer electronics have come a long way. This is in part because brands like Samsung have copied the practices/techniques of GOOD brands (such as Apple, Sony, Nokia...etc).

HOWEVER Japanese and American quality sets an extremely high standard. Kia, Hyundai and Daewoo are nowhere near the standard of Toyota, Lexus, Mazda...etc.

Same deal... Daewoo (electronics), Samsung, LG...etc are not up to the standard of Apple, Sony, Nikon...etc. They've moved away from being cheap Chinese quality and offer this 'middle ground' which isn't quite Japanese/American quality but costs less without being really shonky like Chinese gear (which delivers the lowest price & quality).

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Gimmicks is a whole new section and I'm getting tired. If you don't understand what I mean then have a beer, think about it and come back to me if you still don't get it. Dictionaries help.

Djgamble, I checked out the site that you mentioned.

The charts show a different story than you told.
2013 IQS shows both Hyundai and Kia well above industry average. In fact, Scion(a brand of Toyota) was dead last. Mitsubishi and Nissan were 3rd and 4th from the last, Subaru, Mazda were also below Industry Average.

Mini, Ford, Dodge, Volkswagen, Jeep, Laand Rover, Volvo, and BMW were also below industry average on that list.

2013 Dependability by JD Power shows Nissan and Infiniti right above Kia and Hyundai, but Audi, Volvo, Mini, Jaguar, Volkswagen, Jeep were also below Kia and Hyundai. Land Rover being dead last.

Am I saying that Hyundai and Kia are great cars? Actually, yeah. They are not the same cars that used to break down in the highway during winter few decades ago.

You have a very flawed view thinking all Japanese goods have superior quality. They do have a reputation and an image, but that doesn't mean it is the case all the time. The very data you proposed(and never bothered read) tells that story.

I could go on and on about how you are being extremely biased based on the country and why you would be wrong to think so (look up why companies decide to manufacture in China, it's not just low labor costs. It's not the technology they lack, it's the image). But I won't. I wouldn't be able to change how you think anyway. But it might be interesting for you to know that Japanese brands didn't exactly start out in the west with the same image as you are familiar with.

However, I do wonder why an apple fanboy like yourself is so upset over Samsung. Why does it make YOU upset that another company is trying to follow trend made by Apple?

HP, Dell, Asus are just a few of the manufacturers that make laptops and products that also resemble Apple. I am happy that if I need a windows machine I can actually find one with Apple looks, feels, and hardware quality.
Every smartphone resembles iPhone in some way or form. Or should I say, all smartphone resembles each other. Why the uproar?

Nationalism is questionable, THIS is just foolishness.