Apple's 2011 Annual Report: More Hiring, More Sales, No Dividends Coming

Paying dividends = less cash.
Not paying dividends = more cash.

For every dollar of dividend per share that Apple pays out, the share price will drop by one dollar.

This is just laughably incorrect, and written with such confidence too. wow.

Genius Bar tech for Apple; the dream job for a computer-nerd Apple fan like myself. It's too bad that the journey to Mordor would be an easier one than the journey to my nearest Apple Store.

Come on Apple, do something cool with all that capital. OS XI with content-awareness and an AI assistant an stuff. Build cylons. Just... do something...

dividends?

Wall Street to Apple, "I thought you would pay dividends!"

Apple to Wall Street, "Think differently."

Looks like for the time being, the post-Jobs Apple talks and walks a lot like Jobs' Apple.

Nice to see.

Paying dividend reduces the capital value of the company.

Shares are now so divorced from the idea of owning part of the company now that it does not really make much sense to pay dividend to the "current" owner of the shares as they are bought and sold on a daily basis. They have become commodities in of themselves.

The only companies that pay dividends are those with a dropping or stagnant share price. MSFT is one such company.

I tend to look at this another way, based on Warren Buffett's view of dividends.

Assume that Company A and Company B are both good at generating operating cash flow from quarter to quarter.

However, Company A has a transient management and doesn't necessarily do better than the S&P in terms of growing the book value of the business.

Company B has fairly solid management and consistently outperforms the S&P in terms of the real growth of the business in terms of book and/or enterprise value.

In Company A's case, I want the dividends, because I can turn around and generate a better return from the cash from those dividends than the company is generating for the value of my shares... and ultimately the market price. It may seem like value and price are divorced from one another, but institutional buyers use the same methods I do to triangulate the actual carrying value of the company, and so they tend to set a baseline of fair market value that influences the overall market capitalization because no M&A guy in his right mind is going to recommend paying more than their estimate of intrinsic value to buy such a company outright.

In Company B's case, I want them to manage that money for me because they're long term thinkers who know how and where to invest that money in the growth of their business which in turn influences the company's ability to generate continued operating cash flow. And this IS important to the prospect of getting a return at a later date in terms of market price growth because few people are going to keep bidding up a total dog of a company that doesn't keep generating operating cash. Think of the working capital (inventory) and book value (assets minus liabilities and intangibles) as the cash generating engine, and operating cash flows as the cash generated by that engine (as opposed to financing or investing activities).

But all this also requires coming to a realistic triangulation of the intrinsic value of the company. Given all the above factors, and that I know Tim Cook has incentives to stay for ten years, taking into account the expected shrinkage of the growth rate of Apple's operating cash flows, and that Apple has about four more years of Jobs'-influenced products in the pipeline, after which they'll reach some kind of terminal growth rate in the single digits, a moderate estimate puts them at about $386 per share... or less than their current trading price.

For this reason, I'm not buying Apple stock at this time... even more liberal estimates, which put intrinsic value around $450 per share, don't give me the margin of safety I look for in long term investments. I'd much rather find something grossly underpriced by the market relative to its actual strength as a business.

With Apple already one of the two most expensive companies in terms of market capitalization, they've got a lot more downside than upside.... and I don't count on the market to tell me what price I *should* pay for a piece of a company.

No it won't. Those same idiots have been calling for a dividend for years. Growth companies don't pay dividends.

Define growth company. Because Walmart has always paid dividends. Perhaps they don't fit your growth company "now" - but they've paid dividends since pretty much day 1.

The dividend issue is a kind of prickly one for me. I feel in general that a company should offer a dividend if they have enough profit left over after investing in the company by funding things like R&D, having cash on hand, etc. Apple has done all of those things and still had incredible profits, so I just don't quite get the logic behind not offering a dividend.

I mean, heck... let's start solely based on the interest earned off of the cash on hand Apple's accumulating. Apple has $81 billion in cash as of last quarter. Assume a 2% interest rate. With 929 million shares, Apple could offer an annual dividend of $1.74 per share just on the interest alone.

And that is just a starting point. Apple made $6.6 billion in profit last quarter. Say they kept 4.4 billion (so a majority) and re-invested it, and gave 2 billion back to shareholders. Now, let's also say, for simplicity, that last quarter is an average Apple quarter and multiply this by 4 to span a year (it's not... it's actually very low for Apple). $8 billion / .929 billion shares = another $8.6 in dividends Apple could offer.

That's $10.34 in annual dividends per share that Apple can offer its shareholders, and it still has a ton of cash left over to re-invest.

($10.34 may not seem like much compared to a $400 share price, but when you have DRIP in a retirement account, it adds up)

Reading some of these comments about apple paying dividends makes me laugh.
Dividends..really???? You can't be serious, apple is the definition of a growth company. People have mentioned Buffet's view on dividends, it's irrelevant. Buffet is a value investor, not growth.

Not ONE real investor (meaning institutional) expects apple to pay any kind of dividend. And I can guarantee they don't want them to. Just look at the charts.

For reference, look when msft (which was considering a growth company) announced they were going to pay dividends. Not good.

I'm tired of CNN and other financial news outlets pressuring AAPL to provide divs. Sell if you want divs.