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Apple, PPC 980, and Upcoming G5s?

An unconfirmed report spelling out some interesting future possibilities about Apple and their PowerPC progress and development:



"Following the microprocessor forum, IBM presented Apple with a handful of PPC 980 alpha samples to begin work on the next generation Powermac due out in 9-12 months. Initial compiler tests showed specfp base 2000 of 1400 and specint of 1200 at 3Ghz. The PPC 980 will have double the L2 cache of the 970, and will still not have an L3 cache option, owing to the fact that the 980 will have a 1x, 2x, 3x, and 4x bus multiplier, which will allow an FSB to run at the chip clock speed if need be, but the plans are to stick to a 2x multiplier, which would mean a 1.5Ghz FSB. The reason why the 980 is appearing only 12 -16 months after the 970 is that Apple chose to engage in parallel development with the Power 5, rather than wait 12-18 months after the fact. The 980 samples that were given to Apple were 90nm chips, as opposed to 130nm chips for the PPC 970 and the Power 5.



For the G5, the next revision is well under way. The bugs on IBM's 90nm process have been squashed, and ramp up will begin within 6 weeks, with intention of having enough chips ready for the next revision G5's due in February. 2.5 - 2.8 Ghz is probably going to be the ceiling of the new revision Powermac G5's based on test yields obtained recently. If everything goes well, 2Ghz may drop out of the equation entirely, and 2.2 Ghz may become the low end, a jump of 500-600 Mhz this revision is realistic, and should be expected. As for the Powerbook G5, only a general timeline is given with a range from April 2004-September 2004 is given, the only obstacle being finding an appropriate cooling technology."

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108 months ago
good to hear! i personally wont be able to afford the 3Ghz, but hey, mebbe the 1.6Ghz will drop down to a comfy price
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108 months ago
Things are speeding up in Macland :D
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108 months ago
and this should put an end to all the nonsense about the amd chips beating g5s.
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108 months ago
"Next generation powermac" What product will this be. I'm gearing to buy a powerbook late December early Feburary. I dont want them to drop a newer PB right after I get one. I couild wait as long as 9 months if need be. Anyone care to guess what the next gen powermac will be?
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108 months ago

For the G5, the next revision is well under way. The bugs on IBM's 90nm process have been squashed, and ramp up will begin within 6 weeks, with intention of having enough chips ready for the next revision G5's due in February. 2.5 - 2.8 Ghz is probably going to be the ceiling of the new revision Powermac G5's based on test yields obtained recently. If everything goes well, 2Ghz may drop out of the equation entirely, and 2.2 Ghz may become the low end, a jump of 500-600 Mhz this revision is realistic, and should be expected.

This is incredible, if true. Increase of 30-40% in only 4 months (from when they started shipping in early Oct.)!!! Now I'm glad I held off on the first round.

Could we see:
Fast: 2 ghz single
Faster: dual 2.4 ghz
Fastest: dual 2.8 ghz?

that would blow people away, as much as they were the first time around.
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108 months ago
Don't get your hopes up...

This would be a very different Apple trend, but it would be nice if comes true.
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108 months ago
2GHz 970 = 800/840
3GHz 980 = 1200/1400

change in clock frequency = 1.5
change in SPECint = 1.5
change in SPECfp = 1.666

overall: supralinear scaling with clock frequency (wouldn't be possible without other enhancements)

comments: Excellent, if it's true. Also, I doubt that significant changes have been made if it's being developed in parallel with the POWER5. It sounds as though they're just rushing it to .09 micron as quick as possible (doubling the cache with a process shrink is pretty easy. Other changes are harder). I would guess that the revision after this one would incorporate POWER5 changes.
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108 months ago
These numbers sound so good I'm skeptical, but then again they're not out of the realm of possibility now that Apple's working with IBM.

I sure hope they're true (although I'll be bumming about my "measly" 2.0 if we see a dual 2.8s in Feburary).
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108 months ago
Dual Processor Powerbooks!!!!! That's has to be next. The g5 chip isn't coming to the PB anytime soon.
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108 months ago
i think if you re-read the article, it says that the next revision of the G5 is different from the 980, so i doubt speeds up to dual 2.8 by feb.
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