Apple E-Book Price Fixing Decision Could See Return of Direct Links from Kindle and Other Apps to Their Stores

Insane. That's like having a link to iBooks in every Amazon app.

No way this will happen. It breaks the ecosystem. Apple will never permit this.

Apple was found guilty of "facilitating a conspiracy" to fix prices in the ebook market in a federal district court.

They don't have a say in the matter. They chose to go to court rather than settle. They lost. They are now bound to whatever resolution the court deems to be acceptable (pending appeal, of course).

Your analogy is completely foolish and wrong, by the way. This is the equivalent of Apple launching an Android app for iBooks, and Amazon then forcing Apple to give Amazon a 30% cut of every iBooks sale on the Android iBooks app, and requiring anyone else who sells iBooks (like Apple themselves) to offer the same high price on every product, and then Amazon conspiring with all of the book publishers to raise prices and force that model onto Apple's store, and then sitting on that business model in bad faith for 2 years until forced by a court to relent and allow Apple to sell ebooks via their iBooks Android app for whatever price they want, and from within the app, and without paying Amazon 30% of every sale. That's the analogy you were looking for. And it shows just how absurdly defensive Apple apologists can be.

Amazon is "winning" right now because they have built up such an incredible infrastructure for real, physical books (and practically everything else) that people go to them like they go to wal-mart. Wal-mart has terrible prices sometimes for certain things (like cheese or milk, for example), but the people who shop there don't know that, because they don't shop anywhere else. Amazon has a lot going for it:Prime shipping (no competition), Prime video (better than netflix in a lot of ways), subscribe & save (no real competition), the Kindle (best ereader family), S3 services (best price/performance in the industry), the Marketplace (taking a huge bite out of ebay, et al). What they aren't doing is using anticompetitive practices to actively hinder the business efforts of their rivals in those markets. Apple and the publishers were doing exactly that.

If the walled garden philosophy works, then Apple's iBooks store should be able to compete with the Kindle store on iOS without stacking the deck. If you want to pay a 30% commission to Apple for every purchase, then that's your right. It's not Apple's right to dictate pricing for other companies on their own website, which is what the current policy effectively does.

This would be terrible. I don't want to enter my CC info for every app that has IAP. I think having a unified payment method through the App Store adds significantly to the user experience.

I doubt you would have to. Take the Kindle App for example. At the moment, if you install the Kindle App, then it's already tied to your Amazon account. All you would need to do is allow a link through to the store. After all, that's how it already works if you have, say, a Kindle Paperwhite or the Kindle App installed on your Android phone. You don't have to enter in your CC details, as they are already linked to your Amazon account.

And I have yet to hear any clear and logical reason why Apple would "deserve" a cut of any book purchased through the Kindle App. What service has Apple provided at any stage of that transaction? Have they provided the ebook? No. Have they processed the transaction on behalf of Amazon? No. Have they provided the network infrastructure for the transfer of the file? No.

And if the Kindle link is clicked, have iOS give this warning message:
WARNING: Books purchased through this method will not be stored in the Apple Cloud, thus could be lost.

Because you can only download a book once from Amazon to one device. Oh wait....

Apple cannot guarantee that your credit card information will not be stolen using a 3rd party link. Use at your own risk.

A simple WARNING message is not beyond what the Judge said, and will deter a lot of people from using the Kindle link.

As I pointed out above, on other mobile platforms with the Kindle App, you don't enter your CC information for the purchase, Just your Amazon Account and Password, so it's no different to using your AppleID to purchase music from the iTunes store.

Just reject the apps. Why should Apple be forced to offer free infrastructure to Amazon so that Amazon can further the reach of their own store?

What infrastructure has Apple supplied here above and beyond allowing Amazon to sell their App? Apple's systems and servers would not be used to process the transaction or transfer the file.

This would be terrible. I don't want to enter my CC info for every app that has IAP. I think having a unified payment method through the App Store adds significantly to the user experience.

Simple Fix to Piss off the Judge: Reject the Kindle App for Some Other Issue.

Because Apple doesn't spend any money lobbying or massaging politicians testicles. Amazon does. Thats how things work in this country unfortunately. They see Apples massive pile of money, and then they see how little Apple spends on political garbage, and it makes Apple a huge target

LOL. RIIIIIIIGHT.

Apple doesn't spend any money lobbying! (http://www.cultofmac.com/228693/apple-will-double-its-lobbying-efforts-this-year-to-simplify-u-s-tax-code/)

Just reject the apps. Why should Apple be forced to offer free infrastructure to Amazon so that Amazon can further the reach of their own store?

And where is Apple offering "free" infrastructure to anybody? The last time I looked, people had to pay for their Apple products, developers had to pay an annual developer fee to even be allowed to submit their apps for later approval and Apple did not provide the Internet connection that people used to connect their Kindle app to the Amazon cloud.

So where is this free infrastructure?

Besides all that, Amazon has long since implemented a very smart workaround around this issue: read.amazon.com. Unless Apple implements Safari in a way to block all Amazon websites, Amazon and its customers do not need anything from Apple. At all.

And who wants to be tied to an ebook store that only works on one platform when you can be free to chose on what device or operating system you can read your stuff? The Kindle platform is everywhere, iBooks isn't.

As if the US government didn't have more important things to worry about. :rolleyes:

This is a silly comment. Sorry - but whether you agree with the ruling, etc is one matter. There are, of course, ALWAYS more important/pressing matters. But that also doesn't negate the need to rectify others...:rolleyes:

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Insane. That's like having a link to iBooks in every Amazon app.

No way this will happen. It breaks the ecosystem. Apple will never permit this.

Amazon used to have this in their apps before Apple changed their rules. How would it break the ecosystem?

And I imagine - if Apple created an iBooks app and offered it on the Amazon App Market - Amazon would accept it.

Now what are the odds Apple would ever?

Amazon will be required to have a monopoly. Not to worry. Apple has moved the game along sufficiently. It will be difficult to go back. eBooks will soon be left in the wake of iBooks.

Just reject the apps. Why should Apple be forced to offer free infrastructure to Amazon so that Amazon can further the reach of their own store?