Apple France Targeted by Regulators Over Treatment of Resellers, App Store Lock-In

Why is the government involved here?

Because it is France, and the French government has a long history of this anti-business, nationalistic protectionism?

I guess I don't understand the full issue here. Apple sells its products. Apple probably ensures its stores have products before everyone else. If you (as a reseller) do not like the terms of reselling, then cease to be a reseller. If enough resellers stop selling and Apple sees a revenue loss, it will change the terms of the resale agreement. It is simple business. Why is the government involved here?

I guess I don't understand the full issue here. Apple sells its products. Apple probably ensures its stores have products before everyone else. If you (as a reseller) do not like the terms of reselling, then cease to be a reseller. If enough resellers stop selling and Apple sees a revenue loss, it will change the terms of the resale agreement. It is simple business. Why is the government involved here?

There is another side to this: If you don't want to accept the local rules and laws, don't open a business. The government is actually doing its job there: Making sure that everybody plays by the same rules. And those are French rules, not American rules. Stay out of the country if you can't accept that.

I feel bad for resellers around the world who filled a real need, and then Apple entered retail--in a huge way. But you can't expect Apple to NOT offer retail when that has been such a vital part of introducing people to what makes their products different and great. You also can't expect Apple to harm their own stores to subsidize other stores. That means when a product is new or facing unpredicted demand, there will be shortages of Apple products. Maybe for quite a long time. It's painful, but it's reality.

Meanwhile, my local Apple reseller is thriving, despite a "real" Apple Store 10 minutes away. They serve a very wide range (Windows, non-computer electronics) but they have an extensive Apple store-in-a-store and it's always packed with shoppers. They don't always have the latest new release in stock, but they have found in their niche, offering refurbs, bundles and discounts, tons of accessories, and yes--when supply catches up to demand--the latest products too.

It's always hard to survive as a business. The economy now makes it harder. Apple choosing not to empty their own store to fill yours makes it harder. But not impossible. Would that French store really have survived if Apple had given them the product first? Maybe, maybe not.

(I'm not forgiving or forgetting how "cold" Apple was when they first started retail, catching resellers off-guard and not always being honest with them. I heard stories which, if true, were truly wrong and needlessly cutthroat. But Apple retail is old news today--no need to be caught off guard. Adapt.)

I also wonder: would Apple be within their rights to say that ONLY we will sell our stuff? Plenty of companies work that way, it seems to me. Does every company selling in France HAVE to have resellers as well? (I genuinely don't know.)

French authorities are also examining the behavior of not only Apple but also Amazon and Google for "lock-in" on their application marketplaces that make it difficult for consumers to change platforms.

Lock-in? Wait... what do they think Apple can do with the App Store that will make your iOS app purchases run on a non iOS device? Or one version of Android vs. another, for that matter?

Have they never heard of software? Is Apple going to get in trouble because Photoshop for Mac doesn't run on Windows?

I guess I don't understand the full issue here. Apple sells its products. Apple probably ensures its stores have products before everyone else. If you (as a reseller) do not like the terms of reselling, then cease to be a reseller. If enough resellers stop selling and Apple sees a revenue loss, it will change the terms of the resale agreement. It is simple business. Why is the government involved here?

I definitely see where you're coming from, but there's something I think you're missing.

People are always going to want iPhones and Macs. If a reseller doesn't stock them, and there's no Apple Store nearby, they're not going to get those customers.

I work for a reseller myself and often you're reselling things you don't want to resell. If there's a request for it, i.e. the 'demand', then they have to get it from somewhere. Sadly it's simply not a case of 'we won't stock it because Apple are breaking our balls', because the problems that arise from that are comprehensive. Yes, if everybody did that, it would probably make a difference. But nobody would be willing to take that risk.

And if Apple are making the whole ordeal for resellers a hellish experience, the government has every right to get involved, if they feel an American company are negatively impacting their native businesses.

(hope this made sense!)

Independent retailers or independent resellers...? I don't get what the issue is. I don't think there should be a problem with treating Apple Retail Stores differently than independent retailers. They're not on Apple's payroll. Or am I missing something...?

I agree with the sentiment of keysofanxiety.

If you set up a business based around Apple, then decides it wants to change what it does or the ways it wants you to do things you have no choice but to comply. Or go out of business as the example unfortunately appears to have done.

It must be a real bugger to train your techs with Apple, at a cost. Open a shop the way Apple wants it and then seemingly put you out of business when it opens a store around the corner/wants an expensive change.

Vive Le France!

France is a socialism nation, and I've heard from many people that the French are generally distrustful of computing technology. I've been there, and everything seems so old (but beautiful).


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MacMall is great because they repair old Macs, sell slightly old Macs, and sell non-Apple accessories. The Apple Retail Store near me even directed me to MacMall to replace my 2006 iMac's failed hard drive (failed in 2012, which isn't too bad). I opened it myself anyway to save money.

It may be old but far more advanced in many areas of technology than the USA, for example electronic road tolls, gas stations completely cashless (and staff less), credit cards that you can just touch to pay, oh and like most of Europe credit cards with smart chips embedded so signatures not required (chip and pin) and of course it is old and beautiful vive le france!:)https://cdn.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif

I guess I don't understand the full issue here. Apple sells its products. Apple probably ensures its stores have products before everyone else. If you (as a reseller) do not like the terms of reselling, then cease to be a reseller. If enough resellers stop selling and Apple sees a revenue loss, it will change the terms of the resale agreement. It is simple business. Why is the government involved here?

France is a socialism nation, and I've heard from many people that the French are generally distrustful of computing technology. I've been there, and everything seems so old (but beautiful).

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Meanwhile, my local Apple reseller is thriving, despite a "real" Apple Store 10 minutes away. They serve a very wide range (Windows, non-computer electronics) but they have an extensive Apple store-in-a-store and it's always packed with shoppers. They don't always have the latest new release in stock, but they have found in their niche, offering refurbs, bundles and discounts, tons of accessories, and yes--when supply catches up to demand--the latest products too.

MacMall is great because they repair old Macs, sell slightly old Macs, and sell non-Apple accessories. The Apple Retail Store near me even directed me to MacMall to replace my 2006 iMac's failed hard drive (failed in 2012, which isn't too bad). I opened it myself anyway to save money.

...if they feel an American company are negatively impacting their native businesses.

There's the key right there, and the most important element of the equation for France. They are trying to protect their native businesses from the big mean American corporation.

I'm usually of the opinion that government should get involved and protect the little guy, but this a bit absurd. I guess I would need to know the exact law Apple is accused of violating, but it sounds odd to me that there is a law that says "manufacturers who also own their own outlets have to treat third party resellers equal to their own outlets" or something like that.