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Hewlett Packard Not Convinced of the Value of Thunderbolt
PCWorld reports that while Hewlett-Packard (HP) had considered using Thunderbolt in its newest desktop PCs, for now it's sticking with USB 3.0.
Thunderbolt is the high speed interconnect system that was introduced by Intel in February. Apple was the first customer to adopt the new connector with the launch of its early 2011 MacBook Pros. Apple has since released new iMacs also supporting Thunderbolt. Due to the newness of the connector, there is presently little 3rd party support, though Intel is said to be opening up Thunderbolt development this quarter.
HP is notable for being the largest U.S. computer manufacturer accounting for 26% of the market in the 1st quarter 2011.
“We did look at [Thunderbolt]. We’re still looking into it. Haven't found a value proposition yet,” said Xavier Lauwaert, worldwide marketing manager for desktops at HP.According to Lauwaert, everone seems to be content with USB 3.0 so they don't see the value of including Thunderbolt in their desktop machines.
Thunderbolt is the high speed interconnect system that was introduced by Intel in February. Apple was the first customer to adopt the new connector with the launch of its early 2011 MacBook Pros. Apple has since released new iMacs also supporting Thunderbolt. Due to the newness of the connector, there is presently little 3rd party support, though Intel is said to be opening up Thunderbolt development this quarter.
HP is notable for being the largest U.S. computer manufacturer accounting for 26% of the market in the 1st quarter 2011.
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107 months ago
I have to be with HP on this one. I never saw the value preposition of motor vehicles, I and all my blacksmith friends were very happy with a horse.
107 months ago
Remember when mini displayport was supposed to be the next big thing?
Once again apple will trot out how they are setting an 'industry standard' when hardly anyone else uses it. Here we go again...
Once again apple will trot out how they are setting an 'industry standard' when hardly anyone else uses it. Here we go again...
107 months ago
Does this feel a little like Firewire / USB2 again?
I have buckets of things that are USB.USB2, the defacto standard, and only 1 thing that was ever firewire, a 8mm video camera.
Don't get me wrong, the faster and higher spec the better, but it's all pointless unless it gets fitted into everything and becomes a standard.
Kinda like having a 12" Diameter penis, Very impressive & you can show it off to people, but useless as it won't fit into anything.
I have buckets of things that are USB.USB2, the defacto standard, and only 1 thing that was ever firewire, a 8mm video camera.
Don't get me wrong, the faster and higher spec the better, but it's all pointless unless it gets fitted into everything and becomes a standard.
Kinda like having a 12" Diameter penis, Very impressive & you can show it off to people, but useless as it won't fit into anything.
107 months ago
Intel wants to gouge OEMs on licensing fees and Apple wants to sell us $99 cables. This is what happens when you don't go with a consortium or open standard.
107 months ago
Keep in mind - Apple has not eliminated USB while implementing Thunderbolt.
It's not Thunderbolt Vs. USB - it's Thunderbolt Vs. USB 3.0
I rather have TB plus USB 2 then Just USB 3.
TB is even a lot faster and more flexible then Express Card.
TB port is roughly half the size of USB port, making it more suitable for portable devices.
TB (20Gbps) is way better than USB 3 (5Gbps) because it's way faster, and can daisy chain. It's a straight tap into PCI-E.
And, Apple may... may... go with TB plus USB 3 in the future, but there may be tech reasons not to (at least in mobiles).
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(From Apple)
One small port. One giant leap in possibilities.
Both MacBook Pro and iMac now give you access to a world of high-speed peripherals and high-resolution displays with one compact port.
Thats because Thunderbolt is based on two fundamental technologies: PCI Express and DisplayPort.
PCI Express is the technology that links all the high-performance components in a Mac. And its built into Thunderbolt. Which means you can connect external devices like RAID arrays and video capture solutions directly to MacBook Pro or iMac and get PCI Express performance. Thats a first for any computer.
Thunderbolt also provides 10 watts of power to peripherals, so you can tackle workstation-class projects on the go with MacBook Pro or from your home office with iMac.
With PCI Express technology, you can use existing USB and FireWire peripherals even connect to Gigabit Ethernet and Fibre Channel networks using simple adapters.
And because Thunderbolt is based on DisplayPort technology, the video standard for high-resolution displays, any Mini DisplayPort display plugs right into the Thunderbolt port. To connect a DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI, or VGA display, just use an existing adapter.
It's not Thunderbolt Vs. USB - it's Thunderbolt Vs. USB 3.0
I rather have TB plus USB 2 then Just USB 3.
TB is even a lot faster and more flexible then Express Card.
TB port is roughly half the size of USB port, making it more suitable for portable devices.
TB (20Gbps) is way better than USB 3 (5Gbps) because it's way faster, and can daisy chain. It's a straight tap into PCI-E.
And, Apple may... may... go with TB plus USB 3 in the future, but there may be tech reasons not to (at least in mobiles).
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(From Apple)
One small port. One giant leap in possibilities.
Both MacBook Pro and iMac now give you access to a world of high-speed peripherals and high-resolution displays with one compact port.
Thats because Thunderbolt is based on two fundamental technologies: PCI Express and DisplayPort.
PCI Express is the technology that links all the high-performance components in a Mac. And its built into Thunderbolt. Which means you can connect external devices like RAID arrays and video capture solutions directly to MacBook Pro or iMac and get PCI Express performance. Thats a first for any computer.
Thunderbolt also provides 10 watts of power to peripherals, so you can tackle workstation-class projects on the go with MacBook Pro or from your home office with iMac.
With PCI Express technology, you can use existing USB and FireWire peripherals even connect to Gigabit Ethernet and Fibre Channel networks using simple adapters.
And because Thunderbolt is based on DisplayPort technology, the video standard for high-resolution displays, any Mini DisplayPort display plugs right into the Thunderbolt port. To connect a DisplayPort, DVI, HDMI, or VGA display, just use an existing adapter.
107 months ago
Can't Thunderbolt run pretty much any protocol?
I thought that's what LightPeak was supposed to be... one connection that could do anything.
Will there be any TB-USB3 converters or dongles?
It would be a shame if USB3 finally takes off... and Apple sticks with ThunderBolt.
Firewire redux...
I thought that's what LightPeak was supposed to be... one connection that could do anything.
Will there be any TB-USB3 converters or dongles?
It would be a shame if USB3 finally takes off... and Apple sticks with ThunderBolt.
Firewire redux...
107 months ago
Any discussion of the value of Thunderbolt is moot at this point since there are no peripherals that use Thunderbolt (other than the Apple Cinema Display monitors that can use the Thunderbolt in lieu of Mini DisplayPort). If and when the Thunderbolt-connected drives from LaCie and Promise actually ship later this year, we can discuss further at that point. Until then, HP's decision to forgo the adoption of Thunderbolt is spot on.
107 months ago
And we care about HP because?
Do they actually bring anything to the party or do they stick with cheap simple designs like Dell?
I do see their thoughts on how USB 3 is enough for the Jones but in the coming months Thunderbolt equipment will come out that will change that.
This reminds me of why do people need more than DSL what could you even do with more and more capacity.
Bla bla bla that what HP sound like.
Because if major PC manufacturers don't support Thunderbolt then we will get only few (=expensive) devices using the connector... To get the benefit of mass manufacturing you need the numbers and if the numbers are not there you end up with either useless port of very expensive devices.
107 months ago
I think Thunderbolt is more for professional users. Transferring high amounts of data. For the general public, I think USB 3.0 is better.
However, for people who are backing up files to their externals, I would want Thunderbolt. It takes me super long to back up my files with Time Machine with a USB drive.
HP: This is not kid's stuff.
However, for people who are backing up files to their externals, I would want Thunderbolt. It takes me super long to back up my files with Time Machine with a USB drive.
HP: This is not kid's stuff.
107 months ago
Anybody ever bought a Hewlett-Packard computer and thought, "Gee, these guys really know what they're doing in every aspect of computing. I should always listen to these guys."
Nope.
When HP says it doesn't see the "value" in using the port, that means the company is too cheap to put it on its cheap computers.
Don't get me wrong on Thunderbolt. It's still in its infancy and you can't find crap for it yet. But I'm betting at some point we had no roads in this country. Device manufacturers aren't going to make something if there aren't ports available. This was true with USB and every other port, good or bad.
I don't know the pros/cons compared to USB 3, but I know one of the two is needed. USB 2 is way too slow for the larger and larger files we create today, and FireWire 400/800 is left off of many cheaper products for, well, cheapness.
If Apple wants to really push TB, it should create a connector for iPads and iPhones. I'm sick and tired of newer iDevices requiring more and more voltage to charge. I only have four darn USB ports on my iMac, so I can't exactly plug up everything directly to the back. My iPad won't charge using a powered hub, so give me a frakking break. None of this helps me now since I can't exactly add a TB port, but you gotta start somewhere.
Nope.
When HP says it doesn't see the "value" in using the port, that means the company is too cheap to put it on its cheap computers.
Don't get me wrong on Thunderbolt. It's still in its infancy and you can't find crap for it yet. But I'm betting at some point we had no roads in this country. Device manufacturers aren't going to make something if there aren't ports available. This was true with USB and every other port, good or bad.
I don't know the pros/cons compared to USB 3, but I know one of the two is needed. USB 2 is way too slow for the larger and larger files we create today, and FireWire 400/800 is left off of many cheaper products for, well, cheapness.
If Apple wants to really push TB, it should create a connector for iPads and iPhones. I'm sick and tired of newer iDevices requiring more and more voltage to charge. I only have four darn USB ports on my iMac, so I can't exactly plug up everything directly to the back. My iPad won't charge using a powered hub, so give me a frakking break. None of this helps me now since I can't exactly add a TB port, but you gotta start somewhere.
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