M5 Apple Vision Pro Launches in Korea and Taiwan on November 28

It costs the same as the TiPBG4 laptop I bought as my first Apple computer in 2001.

Maybe I’m old fashioned; I saved up to buy my AVP.

I saved up, and then kept saving, because I'm not gong to waste my money on an AVP.

I was a day one adopter of the M2 AVP, and if you were so inclined, you will see that I have sung its praises in these discussions for the past 22 months. Until now.

I am not wealthy - just a middle-class guy living in Christofascist Texas. I had about $1800 in Apple gift cards from items I traded in, and I put the rest on my Apple Card for no interest.

I stupidly assumed there would be a trade-in upgrade path, especially since only half a million of us bought it. I have been an Apple user since I got a used Apple II in the early 80's. I still have a Newton that I use to jot notes down during phone calls and get lots of comments on at work. 30 years ago, I bought my first Apple laptop - a PowerBook - for $2500 that I saved for 6 months. I was a day one iPod and iPhone user. I cannot imagine how much money Apple has made off of me over 4.5 decades.

Not accepting a less-than-two-year-old device that cost this exorbitant amount for trade - I would have been happy with $1200-$1500 - has destroyed my confidence in the AVP platform, and in Apple itself.

So, I took the money I had put aside for the M5 model and paid cash for the Samsung Galaxy XR headset - at half the price of the M5 AVP. And guess what - other than some challenges with hand tracking (the eye tracking is as good as the AVP) that can be fixed with a future software update...it's actually really, really good. In fact, this is what an "Apple Vision Air" should have been. I have the Virtual Desktop app on it, and while text isn't as smooth as the virtual Mac option in the AVP, it is perfectly fine for use with my MBP.

I will never convert to Windows - that would be a step too far. But I will definitely be looking at options outside of Apple's ecosystem going forward. It turns out that with my Cupertino blinders on, I may have missed some really good tech from other companies that would have been just as good as Apple's offerings.

And that might be what "hurt" (if I can be melodramatic) - the Apple that I believed always had its users at the forefront of everything they do has become just another multi-trillion dollar tech company that could give two ***** less about their customers.

Glad to see it launching in more places. Use mine every day. It’s clear apple is building the foundation for a future mainstream product here

Glad to see it launching in more places. Use mine every day. It’s clear apple is building the foundation for a future mainstream product here

Most users will never own this device it’s too damn expensive. I question the future of it honestly

Most users will never own this device it’s too damn expensive. I question the future of it honestly

It costs the same as the TiPBG4 laptop I bought as my first Apple computer in 2001.

Maybe I’m old fashioned; I saved up to buy my AVP.

I was a day one adopter of the M2 AVP, and if you were so inclined, you will see that I have sung its praises in these discussions for the past 22 months. Until now.

I am not wealthy - just a middle-class guy living in Christofascist Texas. I had about $1800 in Apple gift cards from items I traded in, and I put the rest on my Apple Card for no interest.

I stupidly assumed there would be a trade-in upgrade path, especially since only half a million of us bought it. I have been an Apple user since I got a used Apple II in the early 80's. I still have a Newton that I use to jot notes down during phone calls and get lots of comments on at work. 30 years ago, I bought my first Apple laptop - a PowerBook - for $2500 that I saved for 6 months. I was a day one iPod and iPhone user. I cannot imagine how much money Apple has made off of me over 4.5 decades.

Not accepting a less-than-two-year-old device that cost this exorbitant amount for trade - I would have been happy with $1200-$1500 - has destroyed my confidence in the AVP platform, and in Apple itself.

So, I took the money I had put aside for the M5 model and paid cash for the Samsung Galaxy XR headset - at half the price of the M5 AVP. And guess what - other than some challenges with hand tracking (the eye tracking is as good as the AVP) that can be fixed with a future software update...it's actually really, really good. In fact, this is what an "Apple Vision Air" should have been. I have the Virtual Desktop app on it, and while text isn't as smooth as the virtual Mac option in the AVP, it is perfectly fine for use with my MBP.

I will never convert to Windows - that would be a step too far. But I will definitely be looking at options outside of Apple's ecosystem going forward. It turns out that with my Cupertino blinders on, I may have missed some really good tech from other companies that would have been just as good as Apple's offerings.

And that might be what "hurt" (if I can be melodramatic) - the Apple that I believed always had its users at the forefront of everything they do has become just another multi-trillion dollar tech company that could give two ***** less about their customers.

Apple has never offered trade ins for itimate products worn on your head. Besides ebay pays nearly double what you were asking for even if you factor the cost of getting insurance in case someone is shizty. Also the underplayed comments about the issues with the Samsung are absolute deal breakers for anyone using the AVP for any decent amount of time.

I use my AVP primarily for work and secondly for entertainment. I wear it for HOURS a day. Unclear text, using unreliable and poor performing remote desktop software, poor eye tracking would all cause me to say "f this" and take off the headset and just use a monitor / work IRL.