1Password for iOS Updated With Secure Notes Markdown Support and Several Fixes

I’d like to try out 1password, but the endless monthly fee is a big turnoff. I’d gladly pay a flat fee, but sick of everyone trying to nickel and dime you perpetually.

I’d like to try out 1password, but the endless monthly fee is a big turnoff. I’d gladly pay a flat fee, but sick of everyone trying to nickel and dime you perpetually.

I understand it's a turnoff, but think about it from their perspective. They have employees they need to pay, they have to keep working on the app to ensure it stays secure and up-to date, server costs, etc. It's not like they release the app, and then leave it in the wild to fend for itself.

That said, I’m looking for a 1Password alternative. I feel like Agile software is screwing the users who have no need for subscription.

Here's an alternative: https://www.enpass.io
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Ah, I didn’t realize that. I actually don’t want them hosting anything for me. I’m looking to switch from LastPass and want to just have a local solution on Mac/iPhone. So in that case I’d just buy the Mac app and the iPhone part would work without subscribing? Maybe I’ll give it a try then!

At least give Enpass a try before paying for 1P https://www.enpass.io.
I was a 1P user not long ago, but due to their push towards subscription and the ridiculously expensive single license I ended up with Enpass on everything. Don't regret it. The UI may not be as finely polished as 1P, but it does its job.

Which of your passwords can be identified as being weak? Are you using any logins that have been compromised? How often are you re-using passwords across sites? Does Keychain tell you this, or is it of no interest to you?

You're basically responding to someone saying that it fulfills their needs with, "your needs are wrong!", which is kind of rude.

That said, iOS 12 will add the first and third feature (but not the second).

For me it’s matter of principals. About a year ago I noticed I was paying a surprising amount of money due to continuos subscriptions. Some of them are valid such as Office 365 which offer me cloud storage but some of them were just bizarre due to fact that they had no rapid software updates or any online component that could have justified subscription model. Therefore, I cut down every single subscription service that I found wasn’t offering good value proposal or more like was plainly ripping their users off.

Regarding 1Password, I like the software but I see no point whatsoever to pay for subscription.

So I understand correctly:

You're totally fine paying for Office 365 for cloud storage but you're uncomfortable paying 3$ a month for what is likely the most important application anybody can have at this point in time?

You would think after all the breaches folks would realize that password management is quite possibly the most valuable tool you have - it essentially protects you as a person (e.g., would you store your social security card in an untrusted location?)

I use LastPass but the monthly-sub is hardly an issue. Do you have any idea how hard it is to stay up to date with software security trends? Do you have *any* idea what it costs to run a dev shop? Imagine this:

5 software engineerings alone in a tech hub city (Seattle, SFO, Boston, NYC, etc) would cost you around 750-800,000 a year in salary, not including benefits, bonus, and cost of doing business (e.g., equipment, office space etc.)

So.. yeah. 3 bucks a month is pretty reasonable when you figure theres more like 100 employees at the company.

I’d like to try out 1password, but the endless monthly fee is a big turnoff. I’d gladly pay a flat fee, but sick of everyone trying to nickel and dime you perpetually.

Totally agree with your larger point -- seems like every damn app in the world feels entitled to a "cup of coffee a month", so you're really just paying the developers to noodle around and try out new crap on your dime instead of pushing out a new version you can buy IF the new features are worth it.

However, I'm happily subscribing to 1Password because they put in a lot of work to update and respond to security threats and usability changes on websites.
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The idea of comparing a dev shop in the 90's to a dev shop today is so.. insane...

the cost is ASTRONOMICALLY higher today.. it's not even in the same universe.

Based on what I can gather I bet their cost of doing business is 20m+/year.

As a rule, I think the subscription model is basically like doing a kickstarter for the next version of your app, but with lock-in. It's frankly bull**** in most* situations.

Example: Ulysses was a full-featured writing app that went subscription a year ago. From what I can tell, they've just used all that money to noodle around trying things out since then, not enough to warrant a full release. Here's an idea: if you have written a feature-mature app that just needs maintenance, try making a new app for people to buy. Seriously, if the Ulysses people tried their hand at something for mail or productivity, I'd check it out -- but I'm not going to pay forever just so they can keep farting around with something that works perfectly already.

* 1Password is an exception, to me, because security threats require ongoing work. Same with any app that pushes out actual content, obviously.

I understand it's a turnoff, but think about it from their perspective. They have employees they need to pay, they have to keep working on the app to ensure it stays secure and up-to date, server costs, etc. It's not like they release the app, and then leave it in the wild to fend for itself.

I agree. If you want to get something with good quality, great customer service, up-to-date app, you'd have to invest on it. I can't say the same with the majority of app developers that require payments. I think 1Password is worth investing in considering they make my life easier and keep my passwords secure. If they start slacking off, then I have a problem with it.

I’d like to try out 1password, but the endless monthly fee is a big turnoff. I’d gladly pay a flat fee, but sick of everyone trying to nickel and dime you perpetually.

it is a turn off, but I believe they still sell the stand alone app on their website. 1Password is easily one of the best software I have ever used which actually makes your life easier and gui is intuitive, but I hate subscription. I was told there was a free version of LassPass, but I checked it seems subscription too. There is KeePass but I never tried those two so I can not recommend.

I understand it's a turnoff, but think about it from their perspective. They have employees they need to pay, they have to keep working on the app to ensure it stays secure and up-to date, server costs, etc. It's not like they release the app, and then leave it in the wild to fend for itself.

If they sell it at $60 bi-annually with 1 million customers, they will make $30m a year revenue. Hopefully that is enough for them to cover costs and make a profit. In the 90s not 1 vendor was subscription based, in fact probably the whole 2000's wasn't either and all developers big and small developers remained in business.

I understand they can't make software and sell it 1 time and get infinite updates for 20 years. But here are some problems with the subscription model:

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* If I fail to pay, for whatever reason, the software stops working. Making you always in the risk of losing the service, on the opposite of purchasing the software. Even if its the older version, it works none the less.
* Subscription requires an internet connection-AFAIK-no internet no work.
* I believe 1password subscription model stores your passwords in the cloud. Life taught me not to store anything sensitive in the cloud. Its just a matter of time. Its always safer to store locally.
* Subscription adds up. Netflix, Apple Music, Office 365, Adobe Cloud, 1Password, PSN, Cable TV, Dropbox, iCloud, Amazon Prime, Gmail Pro. It gets tiring. People want to pay one time and feel safe they got what they want, not worrying having to pay for it next month like rent.

it is a turn off, but I believe they still sell the stand alone app on their website. 1Password is easily one of the best software I have ever used which actually makes your life easier and gui is intuitive, but I hate subscription. I was told there was a free version of LassPass, but I checked it seems subscription too. There is KeePass but I never tried those two so I can not recommend.



If they sell it at $60 bi-annually with 1 million customers, they will make $30m a year revenue. Hopefully that is enough for them to cover costs and make a profit. In the 90s not 1 vendor was subscription based, in fact probably the whole 2000's wasn't either and all developers big and small developers remained in business.

I understand they can't make software and sell it 1 time and get infinite updates for 20 years. But here are some problems with the subscription model:

[LIST=1]
* If I fail to pay, for whatever reason, the software stops working. Making you always in the risk of losing the service, on the opposite of purchasing the software. Even if its the older version, it works none the less.
* Subscription requires an internet connection-AFAIK-no internet no work.
* I believe 1password subscription model stores your passwords in the cloud. Life taught me not to store anything sensitive in the cloud. Its just a matter of time. Its always safer to store locally.
* Subscription adds up. Netflix, Apple Music, Office 365, Adobe Cloud, 1Password, PSN, Cable TV, Dropbox, iCloud, Amazon Prime, Gmail Pro. It gets tiring. People want to pay one time and feel safe they got what they want, not worrying having to pay for it next month like rent.

The idea of comparing a dev shop in the 90's to a dev shop today is so.. insane...

the cost is ASTRONOMICALLY higher today.. it's not even in the same universe.

Based on what I can gather I bet their cost of doing business is 20m+/year.

I'm most looking forward to seeing 1Password integrate with iOS like it does on OSX so I don't have to switch to the app every time I want a password, which I understand is something that's going to be supported at some point in iOS12.

I know the guys from AgileBits tend to keep an eye on these forums, so it would be interesting to hear if there's an update on this?