Bose Wireless Headphones Spy on Listeners, Lawsuit Alleges

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Maybe he does, but so what?
If you join Facebook you presumably have agreed to their terms.
Did Bose's agreement mention this?
Do you understand the concept of informed consent?

The only way to get companies to pay attention and listen to your complaints is to sue for millions. If this stops companies collecting your usage data and reselling it then it's worth it.

I actually like it when my tech is listening/watching me, it makes me feel less lonely. I wish everything would be able to track me; it would be amazing if Netflix was as smart as Facebook, imagine if it could suggest me some comedies to watch one day because it heard me crying from my laptop's microphone earlier then.

IMHO only terrorist will have a problem with that.

Does this person use Facebook, too?

Sweet Jesus it's 2017 and people still lob that around?

You can not partially agree to consensually share your data?

In that case, brace yourselves, because you have to leave planet earth or live in a forest on a faraway uninhabited island.

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Does this person use Facebook, too?

Regardless, I don't think anyone expected Bose to be secretively eavesdropping on someone's listening habits, where as Facebook you consent to their policy. Bose will eventually have to respond to this allegation.

I'm confused though. I have the Bose QC35 and use the app. I never had to put my name into the app... All I use it for is listening to songs. How could my information possibly be "sold off"?

Is this article implying that my conversations and whatever I'm saying into the microphone get sent to Bose?

I read the article, but am just not getting the fuss. Like how can Bose selling off my listening habits possibly affect me?

The app has a control screen that shows you the title of whatever you are listening to, along with playback controls. Just like a Bluetooth car stereo can show you the track name and artist, the Bose headphones are relaying this directly to the app. I notice that when I have connected my QC35s to both my iPad and my phone, and play music from my iPad, the track name/artist shows up on the app on my iPhone and I can use the iPhone to control the playback, even the volume on my iPad, as if I had pressed the buttons on the headphones instead. So there is definitely a direct relay of playback information from the headphones to the app, even if the source is a second Bluetooth device.

It didn't occur to me that Bose might be reading that list of music and sending it off to gleam a listening profile of its users. I doubt they are actually receiving data from the microphones in the headset, especially because the current Bluetooth profile prevents high quality music playback and the microphone from being used at the same time.

The immediate solution is to delete the app. You don't really need it for basic playback operation.

The more effective solution is to hold Bose accountable. This should be an opt-in feature, and clearly displayed that your listening history may be sent to third-parties via the app. Technically any wireless headphone that uses an app could do this, and we don't want to set a trend that it's okay to do this in secret.

The tech nerd in me could see a bright side though. Perhaps Bose simply wants to build a custom EQ for every song, identifying what is being played and adjusting it to fit the genre that they've estimated from millions of other user's listening habit. In the FAQ in their app, Bose advises not to use any equalizer with their headphones, because supposedly their EQ built into the headphones is the best for allllllll types of music. Perhaps they hope to improve it via a third party. It would be nice to know, but Bose is a very secretive company, and now we finally know why they never include release notes in their headphone firmware updates.....

A number of points to make..

Assume any tech you acquire these days is mining data from everything you do.

Would Bose declaring they do this in their terms have stopped anyone from buying their products?

Lastly, while no single manufacturer can claim to make the best product at every budget level, I've yet to either read a review (unbiased!) that puts Bose at the top of any group test or find that I personally prefer any Bose products to others. I find other manufacturers at cheaper levels sound better to me. So really folks I'm saying test other manufacturers before paying designer label prices for Bose.
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I'm sure it'll be in his lawsuit but performing network analysis could show data packets going to third party servers. That's where I'd look.

Two valid points and one that has nothing to do with the discussion in this thread.
We get it, your ATH-MX50s sound better.

I’m having a hard time deciding which I like least. Companies mining and selling personal data for profit. Or lawyers.

Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.

Probably all listed in the 50 page EULA they all didn't read and just clicked "I ACCEPT" to.....

Umm...No it's not on page 50 of EUA.

The user agreement states comment about collecting anonymized data on how the app is used (when, how long, device OS, crashes etc.) by them and 3rd parties.
Nowhere does it say identifiable info collected and shared. They discuss collecting phone OS info in a lot of detail, though make no comment about data on music, which is interesting because why wouldn't they slip that in there? I wouldnt have gone looking if it wasn't for the article.

I can't remember needing to provide email etc when I set it up.

That being said I feel injured. Perhaps I can get 500k.:rolleyes:

Probably all listed in the 50 page EULA they all didn't read and just clicked "I ACCEPT" to.....

To the point that if you click I accept that you are now their slave does not mean you are now their slave. Just because you click I accept does not mean they can cram whatever they want in there.
Pretty sure they will have a good case regarding wiretapping laws.
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I'm confused though. I have the Bose QC35 and use the app. I never had to put my name into the app... All I use it for is listening to songs. How could my information possibly be "sold off"?

Is this article implying that my conversations and whatever I'm saying into the microphone get sent to Bose?

I read the article, but am just not getting the fuss. Like how can Bose selling off my listening habits possibly affect me?

Not sure if you read the article.
They can see SN of device (Bose) and match to your credit card or invoice name.
Well I don't mind they sell my data, but at least sell me their product then cheaper... Not with the Bose tax and then still serve ads to me (through selling my data to other ad networks) at my own cost. Without telling me.
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To the point that if you click I accept that you are now their slave does not mean you are now their slave. Just because you click I accept does not mean they can cram whatever they want in there.
Pretty sure they will have a good case regarding wiretapping laws.
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Not sure if you read the article.
They can see SN of device (Bose) and match to your credit card or invoice name.
Well I don't mind they sell my data, but at least sell me their product then cheaper... Not with the Bose tax and then still serve ads to me (through selling my data to other ad networks) at my own cost. Without telling me.

And you need to think like this, if they are able to cross all the data (not Bose, but whoever buys the listening habits of person xyz from Bose) with whatever they already have from your Facebook, Google, any other website that track usage )(all of them, even MacRumors) they can paint a pretty spot on profile of you, and with this Bose data, they can even name you :)
Again, I don't mind that with Google (even thought I don't use them) but at least Google services are mostly free.
Bose on the other hand is good but overpriced (imho, disclosure: I own Bose QC35, my favorite headset) for also getting our private data for free.

Alsoooo, no one, and I mean no one, can know I like some Justin Bieber songs :o