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Adobe Preparing to File Suit Against Apple?

ITworld reports that the dust-up between Apple and Adobe over Apple's refusal to permit Flash content on the iPhone and its recent move to block Adobe's Flash-to-iPhone packager in its forthcoming Flash Professional CS5 is set to move to the next level, with Adobe preparing to file suit against Apple over the dispute.

Usually I write about security here, but Apple's iron-bound determination to keep Adobe Flash out of any iWhatever device is about to blow up in Apple's face. Sources close to Adobe tell me that Adobe will be suing Apple within a few weeks.

It was bad enough when Apple said, in effect, that Adobe Flash wasn't good enough to be allowed on the iPad. But the final straw was when Apple changed its iPhone SDK (software development kit) license so that developers may not submit programs to Apple that use cross-platform compilers.

While Adobe has officially remained silent on the new cross-platform compiler issue other than to note that it is looking into the ramifications of Apple's move, a "platform evangelist" for the company strongly objected to the move, even going so far as to say "Go screw yourself Apple."

For his part, Apple CEO Steve Jobs reportedly noted in an email exchange with a developer that allowing such intermediate layers inevitably leads to a substandard user experience and "hinders the progress of the platform."

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24 months ago
Looks like Adobe might try to sue Apple now:
http://www.itworld.com/legal/104320/adobe-vs-apple-going-get-uglier

-Kevin
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24 months ago
I'm pretty sure they don't have a case.

Apple can clearly point to RIM, Android, Windows Mobile, and (for now?) Palm as other options. If consumers care about things Apple doesn't offer then there are many other places for them to go.

The iPhone would have to have a much, much larger market share before this would even begin to be a legal issue.
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24 months ago
That's like Burger King sueing McDonald's because they don't sell the whopper.
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24 months ago

I'm pretty sure they don't have a case.

Apple can clearly point to RIM, Android, Windows Mobile, and (for now?) Palm as other options. If consumers care about things Apple doesn't offer then there are many other places for them to go.

The iPhone would have to have a much, much larger market share before this would even begin to be a legal issue.


You can not point to RIM, Android or Windows Mobile as all 3 allow side loading apps from location other than the official store. WP7 I am not so sure about what those restrictions are going to be but I have a feeling they are not going to stop things like the middleware compilers.

Android does not prevent you from using another compilers nor does RIM so those arguments are pointless. Apple could solve all the problems by allowing 3rd party app stores.
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24 months ago

You can not point to RIM, Android or Windows Mobile as all 3 allow side loading apps from location other than the official store.


So? I don't see how any of your points matter one bit.

The point is, the consumer has options. If consumers want Flash, for example, they will flock to the Android phones that offer it and Apple will lose business.

That's the free market at work. The legal system steps in when something prevents the free market from working. What's stopping it here? Nothing. It's working just fine.
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24 months ago

So? I don't see how any of your points matter one bit.

The point is, the consumer has options. If consumers want Flash, for example, they will flock to the Android phones that offer it and Apple will lose business.

That's the free market at work. The legal system steps in when something prevents the free market from working. What's stopping it here? Nothing. It's working just fine.


But Adobe as the argument that Apple is abusing its market power in volume of apps downloaded. We are talking just about the app market and that area apple has huge market power that the other phones can not even touch.
I believe our resident Apple fanboy (*LTD*) posted an article a while back saying apple had 99.4% of the number of apps downloaded. 99.4% is a huge market power.
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24 months ago
Sounds like a desperate move.
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24 months ago
Perhaps there's some legal reasoning I don't understand.

But it seems to me that if there are other phones (there are) and there are other app markets (there are) then Adobe needs to prove how Apple prevents people from buying Blackberry apps or Android apps. What is it about their low-sales did Apple cause?

Because I can't think of a reason.

But maybe I'm wrong (I'm no lawyer) and maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. But it seems to me that the fact that people own Blackberries and Android phones means that Adobe has every chance in the world to sell their software to those users.

I would think that's what matters: They have a (quite large) market available to them. Apple can't block that. If 90% of the users owned iPhones then, yes, Apple is cutting Adobe off from their buyers. But they don't. So what's stopping Adobe from selling to the other types of phones?
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24 months ago

Perhaps there's some legal reasoning I don't understand.

But it seems to me that if there are other phones (there are) and there are other app markets (there are) then Adobe needs to prove how Apple prevents people from buying Blackberry apps or Android apps. What is it about their low-sales did Apple cause?

Because I can't think of a reason.

But maybe I'm wrong (I'm no lawyer) and maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. But it seems to me that the fact that people own Blackberries and Android phones means that Adobe has every chance in the world to sell their software to those users.

I would think that's what matters: They have a (quite large) market available to them. Apple can't block that. If 90% of the users owned iPhones then, yes, Apple is cutting Adobe off from their buyers. But they don't. So what's stopping Adobe from selling to the other types of phones?



It is not about phones. I limited my argument to just the apps market. Apple has 99.4% of that market locked up.
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24 months ago
I love how people yay or nay legal actions in a thread without referencing a single law or precedent :D

I really want to know about the dialogue between these two companies. Why are there not discussions between the two of them at an executive level? Is it arrogance that they aren't picking up the phone?
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