Apple Admits to Court that Samsung Will Draw More Customers from Android than iOS

Earlier today, we noted that a U.S. judge late last week declined to issue a preliminary injunction barring Samsung from selling several of its Galaxy smartphone and tablet devices in the United States while Apple's case alleging patent and design infringement moved through the courts. From the decision released by Judge Lucy Koh, The Verge noted that it had seen portions of the court order that had been redacted and which revealed that Apple had licensed one specific iOS interface patent to both Nokia and IBM. Samsung had, however, declined to license the invention when offered the option by Apple as part of settlement talks in late 2010.

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Reuters now reveals how that redacted portion of the court order came to light, as the initially-posted court order had mistakenly allowed the redacted text to be visible upon copying and pasting.

In her 65-page ruling denying Apple's request for a preliminary injunction against Samsung, Koh attempted to redact nearly two dozen sentences or short fragments. But because of a formatting characteristic in the prior electronic version, the redacted material can be viewed by copying text from the PDF and pasting it into another document.

The publicly-available version of the court order has been corrected and the redacted portions are no longer visible, but Reuters shares a few tidbits of information revealed in the redacted portions.

Perhaps most significantly, Koh cites as part of her rationale Apple's admission that Samsung is more likely to take market share from other Android manufacturers than it is from Apple.

According to the redacted portions, Apple's own studies show that existing customers are unlikely to switch from iPhones to Samsung devices. Instead, the evidence suggests an increase in sales of Samsung smartphones is likely to come at the expense of other smartphones with Android operating systems, Koh wrote.

The admission is not a tremendous surprise given the barriers to switching app ecosystems and surveys of iOS device owners reporting significant loyalty to the platform, but it is interesting to see Apple's formal admission of the relatively low risks Samsung poses to Apple's current user base. Apple would of course argue that Samsung's alleged infringement would prove to be a bigger threat regarding users who are just moving to a smartphone for the first time.

Another interesting revelation from the court order is Samsung's argument that Apple shouldn't be awarded an injunction in part due to the sheer impossibility of Apple being able to keep up with demand for smartphone devices by itself. But Koh acknowledged that such an argument was "dubious" in the face of testimony and evidence presented by Apple claiming that it is indeed capable of meeting demand.

The dispute between Apple and Samsung has been receiving the most attention in the media given the number of cases going on around the world and the numerous day-to-day developments. But the first major decision in the United States may actually come when the International Trade Commission decides whether to rule in favor of Apple's request for a ban on the import of HTC smartphones over patent infringement. A final ruling on that request had been scheduled for tomorrow, but has been delayed until December 14th.

Top Rated Comments

mattwolfmatt Avatar
119 months ago
Can we please put this court stuff on page 2?
Score: 39 Votes (Like | Disagree)
dokujaryu Avatar
119 months ago
So, the real story here is that you can see redacted text with PDF cut and paste! LOLLOLLOLLOL security.
Score: 12 Votes (Like | Disagree)
*LTD* Avatar
119 months ago

I know, the tablet force is strong w/ Apple. Competitors may have played the copycat card (annoying and tacky) but I think new customers will be turned off by these lawsuits and see them as petty. Food for thought.


You're projecting your own attitudes on the market.

Customers barely know any of this is going on. Customers aren't turned off by any of this because they don't care. Apple's been suing everyone possible for years, and consumers didn't care back then, either.

It's all about the goods - more iPads and iPhones for everyone. No one cares about legal BS. People don't moralize about tech.
Score: 11 Votes (Like | Disagree)
kockgunner Avatar
119 months ago

Android fan boy here :P

Of course, samsung makes way better stuf than apple. Only props to apple though as they get more sales from uneducated tech free people. Thats one thing I like about Apple, they have built up reputation for their friendly UI that just works because it's simple and easy to use.

Android on the other hand of course it's somewhat Identical (exactly the same for texting/calling) but for like gaming, benchmarks/performance, mod/hack/customization. Props goes out to android for all that jazz but the thing is that people are so "Use to" apple's way of selling stuff from their ads that they feel norm to them so the "uneducated people" usually go out to buy the apple products.

Then theres those hardcore apple fans who are tech educated and will back up apple, not gonna blame them...

Anyways, if Apple droped their limitations while keeping the friendly UI they always have had, I'm sure they'll boost in sales. Until that day, Android will always rule on the mod/hack/customization area. If you don't believe me on customization search up custom rom, beautiful widget/fancy widget, adw launcher/go launcher, etc. All that stuf except custom rom you don't even need to hack your phone to do so unlike iphone/pod/pad and even then the themes you download off (certain sites or source that i wont mention) are pretty crappy and too much effort to do.

let the spazz/flame begin lol...

Android rules :)

If Apple dropped limitations, iOS will become the mess that Android is. ICS is an improvement UI wise, but people don't realize the fundamental problems of Android. It's the business model.

Fragmentation is real and it sucks for devs. People think because Android has markets that apps will work on all devices provided they have the same OS. This isn't even true due to the wide variety of Android devices, many of which don't offer improvements over previous ones. Even if you get an app to work on a certain device, not all features may work as expected. I know people who use Android to try something different, but no one I know loves it.

You don't even get timely updates unless you get a Nexus device, but then where is the choice? If you are going to use a custom ROM, then what's the difference between Android and Jailbreaking?

I'm glad Android is getting better because there is more competition, but I don't buy that people are getting iPhones because they are uneducated. Even just in my university program about design/multimedia/comp sci, the majority of people use iPhones. Being tech savvy doesn't mean you want to spend loads of time making your phone right for you. Phones are still just phones, and all these little tweaks are neat and all, but don't add much to the experience and don't make the phone much more efficient.
Score: 10 Votes (Like | Disagree)
robeddie Avatar
119 months ago

Android fan boy here :P

Of course, samsung makes way better stuf than apple.

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let the spazz/flame begin lol...

Android rules :)


I hope not. I'm a hardcore Apple guy from '85. Have 7 macs in the house, 2 iphones, ipad, apple tv, bla bla bla.

But you were polite and stated your opinion. If you get flamed, it won't entirely surprise me, just another example that a few spazzes here are so into Apple they can't have a level headed discussion about this.
Score: 10 Votes (Like | Disagree)
ed724 Avatar
119 months ago

Seriously.

I thought Steve Jobs said the way to succeed as a company is to 'innovate', I don't remember a quote where he said the way to succeed is to 'litigate'.


See, there you go thinking again. So your idea is I innovate and you go ahead and steal all my ideas. :rolleyes:
Score: 8 Votes (Like | Disagree)

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