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Apple and Samsung Said to Resume Settlement Talks Over Patent Dispute

Apple and Samsung have reportedly resumed settlement negotiations over their ongoing patent-infringement dispute, according to The Korea Times. A source from the Korean Fair Trade Commission (FTC) told the newspaper that the two companies are in "working level discussion" about a potential deal, adding that Apple and Samsung are attempting to narrow differences over royalty payments.

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Samsung still prefers to sign a comprehensive “cross-licensing” deal, allowing the world’s biggest smartphone manufacturer to access all Apple’s design-related, some standard-essential and commercial patents; while Apple is asking Samsung to pay over $30 per device for Samsung’s patent violations, which Samsung thinks is “too much,” said another Samsung official who is familiar with the issue.
The report also states that Samsung Mobile CEO Shin Jong-Kyun may fly to the United States to discuss patent issues with Apple CEO Tim Cook early next year. Last year, Cook met with Samsung CEO Choi Gee-Sung to discuss the subject, however, those talks reportedly failed because Samsung would not accept Apple's demand for patent royalties. Both companies also met face-to-face in Seoul earlier this year, but there was said to be "no indication" of an imminent agreement as the discussions failed to progress.

Apple and Samsung have been in a long, ongoing legal battle that started in 2011, with the first U.S. trial awarding $1 billion to Apple in 2012. However, a judge voided nearly half of that amount in March, with a jury in the damages retrial last month ruling that Samsung is to pay Apple $290 million for willfully violating multiple patents. A second infringement lawsuit between the two companies will also be held on March 31, 2014, with a separate injunction trial centering around Apple's call for a U.S. ban on Samsung products potentially preceding it.

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Posted: 16 weeks ago

That is until Samsung discontinue the manufacturing of all the Apple devices they make. Samsung holds just as many cards as Apple in this. And if you ask me, the entire thing is hilarious.


Samsung doesn't make any Apple devices, unless you count the ones they've blatantly copied. They make components that go into Apple devices. They make a tremendous amount of money producing and selling those components, and would not stop doing so unless they had to.

And Apple has been diversifying their supplier base, giving fewer contracts to Samsung for manufacturing components.

Finally, Samsung doesn't hold much in the way of legal cards. They are getting their butts kicked in every court these days, including in Korea. That's why they're at the table. Cook doesn't like the litigation, and he'll talk to Samsung all day long if they bring reasonable royalty payment concessions with them.
Rating: 5 Positives
Posted: 16 weeks ago
S: No, you hang up. :)

A: No, you hang up! :p

S: No, you hang up!! :D

A: NO YOU HANG UP. :mad:
Rating: 4 Positives
Posted: 16 weeks ago

Anyone who thinks Apple doesn't need Samsung is just wishful thinking. How long has this been going on? How many attempts has Apple made at moving away? Each time coming crawling back to the company that the loyalists say can't innovate. Just give up Apple, unlike the other companies you simply just buy out, Samsung is too big to push around. Just be thankful for all the years of superior quality parts and volume you've been supplied. The quality of these parts are one of the bigger reasons you've enjoyed such a reliable reputation. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.


Really.. So Apple should bite the bullet and let Samsung rip off whatever they desire just because Apple's business relies heavily on Samsung hardware? So what if in the future Apple no longer needs Samsung and sues the hell out of them, who's side would you be on then? Large companies do not handle relationships the way small ones do, they could be having the largest legal battles in court and yet sleep in the same bed together every night, it's all about the money in the end and they both need each other.

Apple already got what it wanted though, Samsung has been marked with the stamp of shame, despite Samsung's superiority when it comes to other products but as far as Smartphone business goes, it's almost a standard now for everyone (or most people) to think that a lot of the features are a rip off and that's one major victory for Apple that will live on for a very long time.
Rating: 3 Positives
Posted: 16 weeks ago
Anyone who thinks Apple doesn't need Samsung is just wishful thinking. How long has this been going on? How many attempts has Apple made at moving away? Each time coming crawling back to the company that the loyalists say can't innovate. Just give up Apple, unlike the other companies you simply just buy out, Samsung is too big to push around. Just be thankful for all the years of superior quality parts and volume you've been supplied. The quality of these parts are one of the bigger reasons you've enjoyed such a reliable reputation. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Rating: 3 Positives
Posted: 16 weeks ago

But doing so would certainly cause majour problems for Apple. If they were really feeling dickish, I'm sure they would do it out of sheer spite. It isn't as if Apple is the only company Samsung supplies for nor is consumer electronics the only pie they own significant margains of.


If Samsung just stopped supplying Apple with components, they'd have a new CEO tomorrow. Losing Apple as a customer wouldn't kill them, but it would definitely hurt their profits.
Rating: 2 Positives
Posted: 16 weeks ago

Sounds like Apple realized it needs Samsung too much, kinda hard to produce millions of MacBooks, MacBook Pros, iMacs, Mac minis, iPads and iPhones without Samsung providing internals,chips,ram,screens and etc.....


I interpreted it the other way. With Samsung losing in the courts, with Apple buying more components from Samsung's competitors, with Samsung's high end mobile sales flattening and under assault by Apple's carrier hopping strategy, and with an even bigger case looming, I would think it'd be in Samsung's best interest to settle with Apple, not the other way around.
Rating: 2 Positives
Posted: 16 weeks ago
Two observations:

Re: Chip sales.

Almost two years ago, Apple accounted for about 9% of Samsung Electronic's chip sales. Since then, Apple's move to other suppliers has dropped that portion to about 6% IIRC.

At first, this caused a slight hit to SE revenues. But then, as Apple moved to suck up the supplies from other manufacturers, the previous customers of those manufacturers have had to move over to Samsung to continue getting chips. That's likely better profits for Samsung, since those chip sales are not based on Apple quanitity discount lower prices.

Moreover, early this year, Samsung passed Apple as the world's biggest buyer of chips. So Samsung itself is becoming one of their own biggest customers.

Re: Cross licensing

Don't forget that HTC made a ten year deal with Apple for complete cross-licensing of all current and future utility patents.(*)

It's suspected that the license costs HTC $10 a device or less.

From what I've read, it appears that Samsung would rather fight to get as many of Apple's patents invalidated as possible, instead of rolling over and acknowledging them.

(*) Design patents are not included. Also, any HTC use of an Apple utility patent cannot look exactly the same. For example, HTC can use the slide-to-unlock patent as long as they use different graphics.
Rating: 2 Positives
Posted: 15 weeks ago

samsung is like almost every business though. it will never willingly admit when it was in the wrong. So the only way to get what you deserve with samsung is through the legal system (hoping the legal system does a just and fair job on the day).


Only the lawyers win.

I'm in the wrong line of work. Definitely, definitely the wrong line of work. :)
Rating: 2 Positives
Posted: 15 weeks ago


A hell lot of them??? Geeee! I know it used to do the displays and processors, don't know where you get the rest!


Just the display and SOCs. As if these are nothing more than small, inconsequential bits and pieces of an iPhone.

And there's no used to, Samsung still produces the vast majority of these parts for Apple.
Rating: 2 Positives
Posted: 15 weeks ago



Oh, and by the way, the AppleInsider article is brilliant.


This is why I know not to take you seriously...

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You're correct. That article tried to (and apparently did) fool people by mixing up various stats.

First it said that Samsung high end sales were flat between 2Q and 3Q 2013. Then it bogusly contrasted that to a 26% Apple sales increase between 3Q 2012 and 3Q 2013... a whole year apart instead of just a quarter.

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What the article cleverly left out was that:

Apple's sales were also flat between 2Q and 3Q 2013. So there was no difference between quarters for both it and Samsung.

The big difference is that year over year between 3Q 2012 and 2013, Samsung's total smartphone sales grew 55%, higher than the industry average 45%. So Samsung had a TWICE as big year-over-year increase as the lower than average Apple's 26% cited in the AI article.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/10/28/smartphone-sales-pass-250m-in-q3-and-samsung-grew-twice-as-fast-as-apple/


Exactly and just like every other article on that terrible site. They can't write or report anything without having a dig at another brand. All articles are so Apple biased they aren't credible.

The forums are littered with psychotics and quite a few racists that go unchecked. I've seen your posts on there and also the typical responses you get. Surprised you haven't been banned for having common sense.
Rating: 2 Positives

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