Apple Seeds Build 12E36 of OS X Beta 10.8.4 Developers

Tuesday April 23, 2013 2:46 PM PDT by Juli Clover
Apple today issued build 12E36 of OS X Mountain Lion to developers, roughly a week after build 12E33a was released. Build 12E36 marks the fourth beta iteration of OS X 10.8.4.

12e36

Apple continues to ask developers to focus on Wi-Fi, Graphics Drivers, and Safari.

The update is available through the software update tool in the Mac App Store and Apple's Developer Page.

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21 months ago
Another beta, another thread of people whining about OS X.
Rating: 8 Votes
21 months ago

I'm a dev with seed access and I can't decide if it's worth downloading this or not. I wish they'd be more specific about changes.


If you're a dev, wouldn't it be worth it to test your software with every beta?
Rating: 7 Votes
21 months ago
Only 8 more beta's to go
Rating: 5 Votes
21 months ago

At least Safari is up to 6.0.5 now.


...but is it snappier?
Rating: 5 Votes
21 months ago

Okay, yes, there are a tiny amount of people who do these sorts of things. I'm just saying that 80% of complaints would die out if they worked on those areas.


As well, those "complaints" of iOS and social media integration have merit as they have been focusing much of their software engineering on those features with less focus on OpenGL and improved graphics support (these beta's address such but as a developer there has been little momentum in advancements). Pro-Apps such as Aperture and Final Cut Pro X even have Facebook integration. Many threads with professional photographers address the frustrations regarding Apple's lack of pro-apps aside from social media integration which most do not use as it leads to little business aside from people "liking" their page and asking for free head-shots or work. This has been a contention with those of us who have used pro-apps for years for work. Adobe has picked up in the pro department, their latest Lightroom release is winning praise from photographers as many are leaving Aperture due to Apple's neglect for Adobe CS6. A few years ago this would have been laughed at as Apple was doing well.

Those who claim the pro-market is "niche" are now eating those words as Apple stock is tumbling and a large amount of the pro-market has switched to other platforms and pro-apps. While not a large market as the consumer market, the consumer market has become over saturated, and growth (outside of China which has proven difficult for Apple to tap into) is flatlining. The pro-market has bank, a lot of, and much of that goes into updating hardware and software licenses. Doing the math, that "niche" market is still a large percentage profit wise when studios and businesses have tens if not hundreds of thousands to spend on upgrades. That isn't chump change.

HFS+ is long in the tooth, especially as large volumes and servers are becoming commonplace in the average home (shame ZFS licensing fell to the wayside as Apple did explore ZFS in Leopard beta's, which would have improved OS X use of large volumes such as Time Machine and media storage). My parents even have a Synology DS212j with a Mac Mini as their HTPC. Linux based, which means OS X has to use SMB or AFP to access media outside of Synology's Assistant app. 10.7 had the worst revamp in network protocols, much of which was remedied with 10.8 but still needs some improvements. A good deal would be facilitated by quicker adoption of wireless ac. Apple was ahead of the game when they adopted Wireless-N years ago before many big players, what is keeping them from being ahead of the curve in wireless ac hardware and supporting kexts? This is a deviation from OS X advancements that made OS X a better OS.

Multiple reasons. Some valid, many more just complaints about insignificant things. For example, Apple's "focus" on iOS.


I'm not disagreeing with you in the least, you have some very valid points that I absolutely recognize. Social media, whether fad or not, is a big market and Apple is wise in integrating such into their main products. However, much of Forstall's influence in Apple was strong arming OS X engineers into further iOS integration at the cost of a more stable and advanced OS X. Recall that Leopard was delayed (http://appleinsider.com/articles/07/04/12/apple_delays_leopard_release_until_october) a few times as iOS development pulled OS X engineers away. Apple is notorious for hiring cross platform engineers and keeping a small team as Jobs wanted to know everyone on the teams and keep a tight hold on those engineers. This was one of many factors that lead to Serlet leaving and Federighi taking over OS X software engineering with 10.7. 10.6 Snow Leopard was (arguably) one of the most polished OS X releases to date. Serlet became increasingly frustrated with engineer focus on iOS and Forstall's influence over Jobs. Serlet had little to do with 10.7 Lion, that was Federighi's baby. We all know how that went.

I know first hand this has been happening with OS X. It is a shame as past OS X updates were generally ahead of the curve, that has absolutely changed since 10.7.
Rating: 5 Votes
21 months ago

I highly doubt it take a substantial amount of resources to include Facebook integration in an app. Accordingly, I doubt it has a substantial effect on development of this software. Yawn.

It's likely that Macs will 802.11ac this year. That's pretty early adoption.

Baseless. And as of a result, they had two OS release the same year, and everyone was happy. This practice is not uncommon, and happened LONG before you are claiming things went to hell. So shouldn't that be a sign that Apple is acting as it always acted? Is there anything credible to support any of this?

As Windows struggles to get notification center, and has switched to a yearly model just to keep up...Yeah. Seems legit.


"Yawn" and "baseless" replies with little to no sources to support such as opposed to the sources I referenced to support my claims comes across as disrespectful and pointless. I did not disrespect your comments and opinions with similar remarks, instead I respected and acknowledged your comments and responded with respectful and supported claims whereas your responses are personal and lack merit as they are opinion based.

As for Serlet, it's already widely known that many at Cupertino did not agree nor respect Scott Forstall's influence. Cue and Mansfield being the most vocal, and Serlet's departure was in part due to his frustrations with Forstall's influence over OS X development. If you need sources, Google is a good place to start. Scott Forstall's firing alongside S.V.P. of Retail John Browett's short lived tenure (April-Oct 2012) was a long time in coming and one reason why Bob Mansfield decided on delaying his retirement that was announced earlier in 2012. In fact, MacRumors covered this last November:

Bob Mansfield's Return to Apple Reportedly Influenced by Scott Forstall's Departure
(http://www.macrumors.com/2012/11/01/bob-mansfields-return-to-apple-reportedly-influenced-by-scott-forstalls-departure/)

There's a source to back that claim right off this site :)


Lastly, as I have not respond disrespectfully, it is not unreasonable to expect a mature and cordial response. As such, unless you wish to continue this respectfully or in PM's, nothing more needs to be addressed, especially at the expense of members who wish to engage in informative and cordial exchanges. Otherwise, it seems juvenile. :)
Rating: 5 Votes
21 months ago

The really horrible part is when somebody said that my Intel HD 4000 was the thing holding me back when it came to OpenGL support... yet on the Windows side I have support for 4.0 because Intel added support a while back (december or so).

It's frustrating.


Exactly. I miss the OS X focused days, before 10.7. MacRumors and such used to have front page threads when OS X 10.X beta's were released (every 1-2 weeks during a 1-1/2 year testing period). A lot of beta's had new features (even ZFS was tested out in Leopard beta's). Now it seems iOS and social networking integration are main focuses, stability and improved support - not so much. :o

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If you're a dev, wouldn't it be worth it to test your software with every beta?


This is a good point, and one that makes me dislike the DP's that replaced the clean installs required for 10.X beta releases. As a developer, a clean install for a major release is a better gauge at debugging, etc. than installing beta's over other beta's. Developers (generally) have experienced more issues since 10.7 than before (at least, for those I know).
Rating: 4 Votes
21 months ago

Did you notify them of your problems at http://www.apple.com/feedback/ ?


Apple does not listen to feedback.

If you think that submitting user-feedback will change Apple, you must be naive or a recent Apple user.

e.g. Apple refusal for 5+ years to offer matte, anti-glare screens to professionals on iMacs and Cinema Displays.

For Apple to listen, you need to demonstrate that:

-- it will cause their core consumer (dumbed-down) market will allow Apple to make more money, or

-- that refusal to respond will result in media-wide humilitation (e.g. iPhone 4 antena-gate).

Other than that, Apple has their own vision of what to do, and don't care what consumers think as long as the money is rolling in.

If the overall product is great and making money -- but one feature irks customers, but not enough for them to vote with their feet -- Apple will NOT listen.

For Apple to listen, the feature has to be so bad to cause customers to vote with their feet.
Rating: 4 Votes
21 months ago

I don't really care why he said it, the point is that there wasn't some huge conflict with Serlet and iOS integration.


Do you have any proof there wasn't? Double edged sword ;)


It's not disrespectful for me to call out a baseless claim for being baseless. It simply isn't. I'm sorry you find it to be.


It's your tone, reread your comment #33. Terse replies such as "Yawn" and "Baseless" and "Yeah, seems legit" have an intended sarcastic tone, something I have noticed is characteristic of your comments.

Nothing more needs to be stated, don't wish to hijack this thread. Let's agree to disagree and move on civilly.



I think you maybe have some insight we don't have. I am eager to learn more about this but I know that this forum is not the quite place to share information like that.

Sometimes I wish Serlet will return to Apple and become a dream team together with Ive.

Thanks for your posts.


I agree, I wish Serlet would return. As it stands, he is on the board for Parallels, Inc. He stated he needed a change, about it, however my friends Jackee in FCPX design team and a few others I know in Cupertino and Pixar have more than claimed Serlet's departure was in part, not totally, due to Forstall's attitude and control over OS X development with iOS. As someone pointed out, many at Apple had issues with Forstall, certainly Serlet who headed OS X development that was being directed towards Forstall's iOS department played a key in Serlet's departure. Serlet had been with Apple and NeXT for quite a long time, and was wholly responsible for 10.4 Tiger, 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard. As is known, Leopard was delayed as iOS shifted OS X engineers to iOS development, something I can assure you Serlet was disgruntled by. Is it baseless? That's for some to decide. However, given the general animosity toward Forstall by many, it isn't a huge leap in logic to realize that OS X development became intrinsically tied to iOS development and suffered due to it as far back as 10.5. Knowing what I personally know, Serlet was unable to express such as part of his departure with Apple, so of course mainstream knowledge of such is limited at best. This seems a moot point to argue with some, so I'll leave that as it is :).


Yes, I noticed that too. It seems to be some sort of general "step-by-step" network connectivity troubleshooting/setup tool.


interesting update, the Wireless Diagnostic utility returned with this:
Rating: 3 Votes
21 months ago

“I’ve worked with Steve for 22 years and have had an incredible time developing products at both NeXT and Apple, but at this point, I want to focus less on products and more on science,” said Bertrand Serlet, Apple’s senior vice president of Software Engineering.

He stated why he left.


Yeah. I'm sarcastic. Most people can handle sarcasm better I suppose. We can move on though.

I agree, I wish Serlet would return. As it stands, he is on the board for Parallels, Inc. He stated he needed a change, about it, however my friends Jackee in FCPX design team and a few others I know in Cupertino and Pixar have more than claimed Serlet's departure was in part, not totally, due to Forstall's attitude and control over OS X development with iOS. As someone pointed out, many at Apple had issues with Forstall, certainly Serlet who headed OS X development that was being directed towards Forstall's iOS department played a key in Serlet's departure. Serlet had been with Apple and NeXT for quite a long time, and was wholly responsible for 10.4 Tiger, 10.5 Leopard and 10.6 Snow Leopard. As is known, Leopard was delayed as iOS shifted OS X engineers to iOS development, something I can assure you Serlet was disgruntled by. Is it baseless? That's for some to decide. However, given the general animosity toward Forstall by many, it isn't a huge leap in logic to realize that OS X development became intrinsically tied to iOS development and suffered due to it as far back as 10.5. Knowing what I personally know, Serlet was unable to express such as part of his departure with Apple, so of course mainstream knowledge of such is limited at best. This seems a moot point to argue with some, so I'll leave that as it is :).




interesting update, the Wireless Diagnostic utility returned with this:


Thank you, I appreciate the kind response and I suppose I do have a thin skin. I'm 36 and I tend to get down when I see people argue online and taking it to a personal level, so I suppose that's where it comes from. Apologies :)

I agree with everything you wrote and you have excellent points. :)
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