Apple Report Reveals Men Are Paid 5% More on Average Than Women in UK

"and when factoring in "similar roles, markets, and performance" it has achieved pay equity."

End of story.

"and when factoring in "similar roles, markets, and performance" it has achieved pay equity."

End of story.

That usually is the end result. Nobody hates women.

If woman were cheaper for the same work, companies would have a bias to hire more woman. Simple. This isn’t the case.
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"and when factoring in "similar roles, markets, and performance" it has achieved pay equity."

End of story.

With this being said, you wonder why macrumors publishes such rubbish.

Lots of angry men already posting in here. Proving the need for these discussions in the first place.

What angry men? I don't see any. These headlines are inflammatory but so far the discussion has been logical and measured.

It is when these statistics get twisted to imply a bias against women (where none exists) and used to implement a quota system that penalizes or excludes qualified men for promotions that yes, the discussion will get heated and men understandably would be angry. But that's not what is happening here at the moment anyway.

My husband works for a tech company and they are very encouraging of women's careers. But there simply is a shortage of female recruits. They need to fill positions and if there are no qualified women then of course they won't overlook qualified men and just leave positions unstaffed to avoid an appearance of bias. Unfortunately the preponderence of male employees will skew these final ratios to look bad. So you have to refer to the individual data to ensure that women in fact are not being paid less than a male occupying a comparable position and doing the same work. And that is what the other forum members are pointing out.

Lots of angry men already posting in here. Proving the need for these discussions in the first place.

Or a discussion around facts instead of feelings?

5% really? this is news? There are so many factors in pay. 5% is not a meaningful difference.

So what?

When you hear or read the word “equity”, you know you are dealing with ideologically possessed scum that are looking to do harm.

The gender gap has been debunked so many times by now that it’s nothing but a running joke.

And why are they deviding employees by genitalia? Why not shoe size? Or height? Or attractiveness? Or age? What does your age pay gap look like, Apple? I want to see a breakdown. Are you discriminating against redheads? What about gay vs. straight? Do the gays earn more, or do they earn less?

Sounds like a valid comparison. Men and women in the same role at the same performance level should get the same pay and it sounds like Apple is doing well in that regard. If women or men choose not to pursue higher level positions with a higher salary that is their choice to do so.

Here is the problem with equal pay for equal work: It ignores several important factors. Something that I never see these studies mention is if they been sure to account for all additional factors, such as:

* Comparing amount of time at the current employer

* Subtracting out Parental Leaves, Family Leaves, Vacation Time, etc. - This is crucial as Women do tend to take longer maternity leave that fathers do for Paternity Leave.

* Comparing amount of experience

* Again, subtracting out Parental Leaves, Family Leaves, Vacation Time, etc.

* Comparing amount of education
* Comparing quality of education
* Comparing quality of work produced
* Comparing profitability of work produced
* Any additional factors, aside from race, religion, political affiliation, gender, sexual preference that may affect pay

Once all of those factors are equaled out, then I wonder what the REAL pay gap between men and women is. I believe it would be brought down to well under 1% with all factors accounted for, but I do admit that I could be wrong and once these factors are accounted for, we could see that the gap is even higher than 5%. But all of these factors MUST be accounted for in order for us to have a meaningful conversation in any shape or form.