Messenger 5 for Mac

Well good that MSN for mac is not dead in MS eyes. If MS wanted Mac doomed cutting off MSN would be a big thing.

MSN 5 has to pretty damn good to replace Adium. The thing is normal people don't usually go looking for a client from some small group. They go to microsoft.com and download what's available.

That being said, I truly hope the next version will be so much better the 4.x and 5.x can't be discussed on the same sentence.

If they allowed us to do what you can do on msn messager for windows, I may consider the move from adium, have to try it out first.

They're a little late to the brushed metal party. By the looks of Mail got Tiger, we may be on the way out of that tunnel. Perhaps not though.

Its good to see continued support. Didn't MSN Explorer mac support get dropped this year?

I think that the interface shown is fine, but--open-source or not--it will not be as nice a licence as existing open-source products, I'm sure. If someone wants to put in multi-protocol support, for instance, can MS just stand by?

MS has killed IE for Mac since no one would want to use it over Safari or Firefox except for some very-limited ActiveX things (and maybe the scrapbook--anything else that I've missed?). MS would do better to do the same: licence the protocol 'officially' to Apple, sanctioning its use in iChat; maybe open-sourcing this will do, that, but I doubt it. If they are going to open source anything. If they have videoconferencing, I doubt that they will.

Some of those more versed with the law may be able to point something out that I've missed, but the article *is* a bit vague. In the meantime, suffice it to say that I'll generally take open standards for a protocol that I want to use over open-source for a programme that I don't. iChat plus Adium are one two many programmes already for what should be a fully-integrated experience.

Its good to see continued support. Didn't MSN Explorer mac support get dropped this year?

Back in mid-2003, right before or right after they announced no more standalone versions of IE would be released for Windows. It was 3 announcements from them at once - AOL renewing the IE license even though AOL owned Netscape/Mozilla, no more standalone IE's for Windows, and no more IE/Mac because of Safari.

It was cheesy - they cried "Apple is integrating the browser into the OS! No fair because we can't take advantage of that!" MS conveniently "forgot" that the browser != rendering engine.

And Adium doesn't consistently kick me off MSN after 5 minutes like MSN Messenger does. And Messenger 5 is nowhere even remotely close to feature-parity with the Window's version.

And Adium doesn't consistently kick me off MSN after 5 minutes like MSN Messenger does. And Messenger 5 is nowhere even remotely close to feature-parity with the Window's version.

I hope messenger 5 is a good release - I actually prefer to use MSN messenger than Adium - something about that program doesn't sit right with me.

Though of course the best thing would be iChat with integrated MSN!!

Well, I thought that ichat supported MSN chat with the Jabber protocol?

ITS ABOUT [expletive deleted] TIME!! i hate aduim, the one thing its supposed to do, it doesn't do correctyly, half the time i don't even recieve the messages that are sent to me, and also i get a ton of "unknown conversation error"' s i've been using MSN mac for a while now because of this, and i can't stand either of them, i'm starting to use teh phone more and more :)

I hope messenger 5 is a good release - I actually prefer to use MSN messenger than Adium - something about that program doesn't sit right with me.

Though of course the best thing would be iChat with integrated MSN!!

dude, i dunno if you've seen this yet, but take a look at:

http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-through-jabber/

it's a bit of a pain in the ass to set up, but with tiger it's now do-able :)