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Resistance to MPEG4?

CNet Asia reports that Japanese firms are unhappy with MPEG-4's terms:



    Japan's mobile video content providers are threatening to snub the MPEG-4 compression format--touted as crucial technology for delivering video to mobile handsets--unless the cost of using it comes down.



Similar objections emerged with the announcement of the MPEG4 standard -- with specific reservations from Apple regarding licensing fees for content providers. The solution provided a total cap as well as a minimum subscriber threshold below which no fees are required.



Alternative solutions mentioned in this particular article include H.264 and MPEG-1. H.264 is an up and coming standard which has not yet been finalized, but has been described as threatening MPEG-4's adoption. H.264, however, appears to be an extension of the MPEG-4 and is also known as MPEG-4 Part 10. It appears that licensing for this new standard will also be handled by the MPEG LA -- the same organization who set the licensing requirements for MPEG-4.

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113 months ago
I think the level of MPEG-4 licesnsing is pretty rediculous. I hope whoever makes the MPEG-4 standard doesn't hope to have everyone blindly adopt their fees. I, of course, know almost nothing about this issue...:D
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113 months ago
i'm with you on this (not knowing anything about it). stupid me didn't even know it was a licenced thing. guess i really shouldn't even be posting then. oh well. i guess i'll ask the question:

what can this mean for apple? if mpeg-4 ends up going out the window, do we have to find a new 'revolutionary' codec for itms?

matt

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113 months ago
Ya same here.. no clue whats going on. Someone wana help out and clue me in? How much is it linsense this and how much more is that then previous codecs
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113 months ago

Originally posted by synthetickittie
Ya same here.. no clue whats going on. Someone wana help out and clue me in? How much is it linsense this and how much more is that then previous codecs


The link in the article links to this (licensing fees for MPEG4):


Under the new terms, owners of Web site content can license the latest video and audio compression format for 25 cents per subscriber or 2 cents per hour, subject to a $1 million annual cap. Also, MPEG LA set a minimum threshold so that content owners with fewer than 50,000 subscribers aren't subject to royalties. The fees are applicable to Web site operators that benefit commercially from use of the technology, through either paid advertisements, pay-per-view services or subscriptions.


MPEG2 (DVD's) had no license fees for content providers.... just fees for decoders/manufacterers. So.... a DVD player (or I guess the decoding chip) had a licenscing fee associated with it. So does DVD Player software, or anything that decodes MPEG2. But you can stream it without fees.

MPEG4 has streaming fees (as described abovE)

arn
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113 months ago
When will people realize that 'standard' means a protocol a platform that all agree upon for the sharing of info, not a proprietary format which can produce income like a toll road. Standard and Proprietary are practically antonyms, a bit like someone thinking the verb "Innovate" means stealing or bullying or buying someone elses intellectual work and calling it your own.

If MPEG LA is serious about "formulating a standard", they need to realize they are about to cut off their nose to spite their face with their efforts to create a proprietary license with intent to gouge.
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113 months ago
Apple backed the wrong horse. As usual they have the best technology that very few people use because it is to expensive. The Microsoft way would be to give it away for free and then pull the plug and demand money when it becomes the standard.
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113 months ago
They should choose Ogg Vorbis or another "fresh" codec for encoding, anyway. As for video, I'm pretty nervous. This is the second time Apple has bet on a tech with baggage (802.11g, regardless of what Apple says, may turn out to be a liability).

Dan
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113 months ago
I'd say most of the "baggage" deals with people wanting to usurp a standard to their own purpose, it isn't inherent in the technology... it is put in there by those that would want to own it, or squash their competition.


What do you consider the baggage with WiFi type G? That it is backward compatible with type B? Some sort of marketing politics? At least it is relatively smooth waters as compared to, lets say using the cell phone of your choice with the carrier of your choice.
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113 months ago
Quicktime supports many other videocodecs that are just as good as MPEG4, Sorinson 3 for example. However MPEG4 is not the best codec out there, it is only a little better than DIVX and I often find that I Real Video 9 and MS's latest format are just as good if not better than Apple's MPEG4.
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113 months ago
Well, if .Mac charges me for Quicktime usage fees, I'll skip it.
MPEG-4 is good in0terms of file size which is smaller than ordinary .mov files.
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