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Clarification of MPEG 4, AAC and Apple

Based on posts/responses on the forums, it appears there is still a significant amount of confusion regarding audio codecs and their implications.



For clarification purposes, "MP3" is officially known as MPEG-1 Layer 3. This audio codec provides the popular compression format that both iTunes and the iPod support.



Songs can be encoded at varying "bitrates". The most common bitrate for MP3 is probably "128kbps". This translates into 128 kilobits per second -- which means the format will use 128kilobits of data to encode one second of audio - no more, no less. Therefore, the final size of a file depends on both Bitrate and the Length of the Song.



Many users, however, prefer to utilize larger bitrates to achieve higher quality audio, but at the sacrifice of a larger final file size. Based on this popularly referenced c't magazine blinded study, it is commonly held that 256kbps MP3s are equivalent to original CD Audio:



    In plain language, this means that our musically trained test listeners could reliably distinguish the poorer quality MP3s at 128 kbps quite accurately from either of the other higher-quality samples. But when deciding between 256 kbps encoded MP3s and the original CD, no difference could be determined, on average, for all the pieces. The testers took the 256 kbps samples for the CD just as often as they took the original CD samples themselves.



AAC/MPEG4



This page at Apple helps clarify some terms and definitions regarding the audio format: AAC. Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) is the audio codec for the standard known as MPEG-4. According to Apple's site, AAC provides multiple advantages over MP3 -- but the most significant for end-users is the improved compression algorithm:



    AAC compressed audio at 128 kbps (stereo) has been judged by expert listeners to be "indistinguishable" from the original uncompressed audio source.*



As a result, the advantage of AAC will be better quality audio at the same file sizes. Or, alternatively, equal or better quality at smaller sizes.



Some commonly asked questions:



Q: Is a 128kbps AAC/MPEG4 file smaller than a 128kbps MP3?

A: No. They are exactly the same size... but the AAC file should sound better. See above.



Q: Will there be a way to convert my MP3's to AAC files?

A: Converting directly from MP3 to AAC is not recommended (by this author). Going from a 128kbps MP3 to a 128kbps AAC file will provide no space spavings, and yet you will likely lose audio quality. (both are "lossy" file formats). Remember, you will never "regain" the quality lost when a song was encoded into MP3. The recommended course of action would be to re-rip the files from its original format (CD, for example).

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115 months ago
Bah, I hate it when they say that 256kbs is the same quality as an Audio CD. That's bull. I encode at 320 kbs and that sounds fine, but the bass is the weakest part of mp3 encoding. There are much better formats out there that are almost lossless quality.

Is this AAC going to be better than "almost lossless", because I sure can't see anything compressed as being completely lossless.
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115 months ago
Thanks for taking the time to help people understand.
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115 months ago
Thank you for finally laying this all out. I know I heard this all, but I tend to forget, and I think others did too. It'll be interesting to see what Apple really goes with on this Music Subscription Service, if indeed that really rolls out too. :)
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115 months ago
I love that MacRumors takes the time to spell this stuff out for the little people. It took me like 5 years to figure out what mobo meant. (motherboard) I thought it was an insult.

Team MacRumors rules!
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115 months ago
As far as MP3s that is...

Encoding with different encoders, with different settings, yeilds different results. My favorite is LAME set with the --r3mix options. These files sound excellent and are close to most 128kbs file sizes. I encourage anyone interested to go to http://r3mix.net/ and read about it. My point is: not all MP3 files can be judged for quality based on just the bitrate. Also, unless the file sizes are reduced dramatically, I see no need for new codecs. I have an in dash MP3/CD player in my car and I'de like to get a few years out of it before I feel compelled to upgrade to whatever is new and better. I feel MP3 still has a lot of life left in it.
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115 months ago

Originally posted by Abstract
I encode at 320 kbs and that sounds fine


Try LAME --r3mix and save a bunch of disk space.
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115 months ago

Originally posted by Abstract

Is this AAC going to be better than "almost lossless", because I sure can't see anything compressed as being completely lossless.


of course there are lossless compressions out there... there are a few audio ones (shorten, is on that comes to mind), along with all the usual compressions - zip, stuffit, gz, lzw.... those are all lossless.

AAC is lossy, of course... I don't know which formats you are talking about (almost lossless)

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115 months ago
Can an ipod/itunes play mpeg4's as it is right now? if not I should probably wait until it does before buying one... I plan on using it in my car and I like my bass loud and clear...

would it be just as easy to start using mpeg4 as the standard audio format for apple's music solutions? like ripping cd's into mp4 on the next version of itunes? Calling it mp4's (unless mp4 is already taken by mpeg-1 layer 4 or something) would definately make the masses think that it is superiour to mp3's, and using it as the standard in apple's music service would just provide yet another advantage over gnuetella and any competing solutions.

Now I'm getting worried that i'll have to pay for the thousand songs I've already "borrowed", just to get the mpeg4 versions, so they sound better. I've already put all my cd's into storage/given them away/sold them after ripping them into mp3...

Mpeg-4's descriotion sounds good though, I hope apple pushes it as the new standard, as I've always worried about my mp3's sounding inferior to people who still use CD's.
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115 months ago
"Going from a 128kbps MP3 to a 128kbps AAC file will provide no space spavings, and yet you will likely lose audio quality."

Okay, but if all my MP3s are 320kbps, then that might be acceptable to convert to a 128kbps AAC, no?

I grimace to think about having to re-rip another 15gigs worth of albums. I assume it's only a matter of time before a conversion mechanism is available, unless AAC has some copy-protection embedded that would prohibit this.

When answering a question, it's okay to give your opinion... but you didn't answer the question of whether it can be done.
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115 months ago

Originally posted by evilbert420
Okay, but if all my MP3s are 320kbps, then that might be acceptable to convert to a 128kbps AAC, no?

When answering a question, it's okay to give your opinion... but you didn't answer the question of whether it can be done.


The question becomes - why do you want to convert to AAC? Why do you want to convert your 320kbps MP3 to 128kpbs AAC?

It won't sound better... if anything, it'll sound worse.
It will take up less space... but drive space is cheap.

If you have an AAC-only playing device - that might be the most legitimate reason to do so.

As for "is it possible" - yes, it's possible. Right now, you'd have to convert to AIFF (noncompressed format first) and then convert that to AAC.

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